Yunel Escobar & Blue Jays fans

[fatcowxlive]

And I didn't like that at all

 

Vernon loved Toronto, and he played well here. And he was traded - not his choice. And he wasn't happy about it.

 

he didn't deserve to be booed. There were lots of cheers too to balance it out, but still...

 

Halladay didn't get booed and he requested a trade to go to a competing team.

 

Wells was booed and the poor guy left the team so he can save the Org money. Never wanted to leave Toronto

[HERPDERP]

Toronto fans are idiots. We boo players for the sake of booing. I remember when we booed Shannon Stewart, out of all people. The guy was one of our best lead-off hitters in the past decade and never complained or did something controversial.

 

Again, I never understood the hate about Escobar and his maricon comments. It's a cultural difference and he knew no better.

 

Imagine the outcry if there was a British player who came to this city and during his offday asked a random person if he could 'bum a fag'?

[bzapple]

I'm pretty sure Wells has only been booed this year, with the Yankees.

[G-Snarls]

Halladay didn't get booed and he requested a trade to go to a competing team.

 

Wells was booed and the poor guy left the team so he can save the Org money. Never wanted to leave Toronto

 

Exactly

 

It's an odd double standard

[G-Snarls]

I'm pretty sure Wells has only been booed this year, with the Yankees.

 

Hmmm, you may be right

 

His first game back, with the Angels obviously, I remember him getting a pretty nice reception actually. Am I wrong?

[LGBJ29]

They didn't boo Halladay when he came back. And its odd because fans were ticked when he left.

 

I dont think fans were ticked at him, they were ticked at the fact he was gone. He left in the classiest way possible, and he was our best player year in and year out, there was no reason for him to get boo'd, and thats why he got the loudest ovation any blue jay player has ever received

[fatcowxlive]

The Jays won the game and he ended up embarrassing himself, isn't that enough?

 

If a Blue Jays player had milked a homer while ahead 7-3 late, I think that would be worthy of retribution tomorrow. But Escobar's team lost, making him look silly and self-centred.

 

Exactly. Yet people are asking for his head, like what happened to Valdespin. They made themselves look like idiots, made their team look bad, made their managers have a 1 on 1 session with them and in both cases they lost the game. It would be stupider if we give them a free baserunner for being stupid in a loss.

 

That would be a nice strategy actually lol. If you're losing the current game, do a stupid bat flip and celebration to get a free baserunner the next day

[HERPDERP]

Hmmm, you may be right

 

His first game back, with the Angels obviously, I remember him getting a pretty nice reception actually. Am I wrong?

 

Morrow was pitching that game. They cheered him before his at bat, and then he hit a home run, and he got boos. He's been booed ever since.

[oakville69]

What, you don't like the Gibbons style, wait later then you get to punch them out ?

 

Didn't Farrell call Escobar's eye patch messages inspirational, so he didn't think to look at them closely last year.

 

I wonder if Farrell runs a tighter ship in Boston, so you don't have these problems.

[oakville69]

I dont think fans were ticked at him, they were ticked at the fact he was gone. He left in the classiest way possible, and he was our best player year in and year out, there was no reason for him to get boo'd, and thats why he got the loudest ovation any blue jay player has ever received

 

True. No one should ever boo Halladay. I wouldn't boo Wells. I didn't like Rios. I won't boo Snider or Thames.

[JugglingPitches]

Escobar deserves to be booed. He embarassed the organization and was a drama queen for 2.5 seasons here. Wells is being booed because he plays for the Yankees and used to be a prominent player for the Jays. Jeter gets booed too. So does A-Rod. Also, I think fans were disappointed that Wells was playing so poorly after signing such a huge contract.

 

Halladay is the classiest guy to ever wear a Jays uniform and left because the Jays weren't a World Series contender and knew he was about to enter the twilight of his career. If the fans booed him that would have been an embarassment.

[AdamGreenwood]

After the way we treated Yunel, I don't blame the guy, if he has a little animosity towards the Jays and their fans.

The guy does a dumb childish prank, and we make him feel like he's Hitler, dragging him around on an apology tour, making him get sensitivity training, and then dumping him to Miami the first chance we get.

 

So he made a safe sign at home plate? So what? Fans look for any excuse to have a hissy fit.

 

I'm glad to see him bouncing back this year and I hope he makes AA regret trading him.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

Vernon was on record saying that he would actively cheer for the Yankees when they were in the playoffs and he was sitting at home after another failed season.

 

That is essentially treason.

 

He deserves to be banned from the RC.

[eastcoastjaysfan]

After the way we treated Yunel, I don't blame the guy, if he has a little animosity towards the Jays and their fans.

The guy does a dumb childish prank, and we make him feel like he's Hitler, dragging him around on an apology tour, making him get sensitivity training, and then dumping him to Miami the first chance we get.

 

So he made a safe sign at home plate? So what? Fans look for any excuse to have a hissy fit.

 

I'm glad to see him bouncing back this year and I hope he makes AA regret trading him.

 

Yunel has arguably been worse at the plate this year than he was last year.

 

How exactly is he bouncing back?

[AdamGreenwood]

I meant he is bouncing back from his atrocious start this season.

[leaffie]

No doubt. Although booing a Yankee is a bit understandable in my view, the general ignorant treatment of the former players is down right embarrassing. All they're accomplishing is giving the opposition more motivation to beat us and that's exactly what's happening.

 

Exactly!!

 

During the game, some fan close to the field screamed something at Escobar. Not exactly sure what was said, but he stopped walking and stared the guy down. So that probably precipitated his reaction.

 

Except for the eyeblack incident, Escobar played well for the Jays. Could he have done more? Maybe, but to me there was no need for that treatment yesterday.

[jays_fever]

The fans booed Jansen in the 9th inning for giving up hits...Toronto sports fans are stupid..should be common sense by now

[JugglingPitches]

After the way we treated Yunel, I don't blame the guy, if he has a little animosity towards the Jays and their fans.

The guy does a dumb childish prank, and we make him feel like he's Hitler, dragging him around on an apology tour, making him get sensitivity training, and then dumping him to Miami the first chance we get.

 

So he made a safe sign at home plate? So what? Fans look for any excuse to have a hissy fit.

 

I'm glad to see him bouncing back this year and I hope he makes AA regret trading him.

 

The way we treated Yunel? The guy was a basket case, constantly made stupid plays to be a hotdog like when he tried to pick off Blanco after a routine fly out and ended up throwing it away yesterday...was constantly complaining to umpires about nothing (remember when he was called out on a bang-bang play at second, replay showed he was clearly out and yet he chirped at the umpire for literally the next 3 innings while on the field?)...the eye black scandal was the last straw. And bear in mind those are just the things we SAW...who knows how he was in the clubhouse but if his actions on the field are any indication he was a toolbag there too.

 

Trading him was necessary. He was Alex Rios all over again, except unlike Rios, his head was already inflated when he got here...Rios at least took a year to reach full power douche status.

[fatcowxlive]

Yunel has arguably been worse at the plate this year than he was last year.

 

How exactly is he bouncing back?

 

Look at his last 15 games or so

[Dude]

The fans booed Jansen in the 9th inning for giving up hits...Toronto sports fans are stupid..should be common sense by now

 

Do home crowds not boo the opposing team when they get hits in the 9th innning? I don't know why you think Jansen got boo'd I find it hard to believe.

[IBTrini]

Kinda embarrassing they boo pretty much every ex player. I don't get the point.

 

Maybe it is something they do to get themselves involved in the game cuz most of the times booing seems spur on the player rather than the reverse. Anyway, this is the first time I have seen it affect someone to the extent he showed in the dugout after the play. I think his feelings were really hurt cuz in his mind he never did anything consciously to hurt the team while he was here and he felt comfortable being with the Jays. To get this sort of reaction from Toronto fans must have been a real eye-opener for him.

 

Anyway, he has to come to grips with booing and not let it affect him to that extent. If he cannot do that he must learn to at least hide those emotions from the crowd cuz most likely it will only intensify especially when fans become aware of it.

[AdamGreenwood]

"The way we treated Yunel? The guy was a basket case, constantly made stupid plays to be a hotdog like when he tried to pick off Blanco after a routine fly out and ended up throwing it away"

 

So?All players make occasional errors. I don't think Yunel had any egregious error totals in his time here.

In fact in 2012, he saved 3.7 runs based on making so few errors. Did he make the occasional bonehead hot-dog play? Sure. But he's still a much better than average shortstop defensively.

Does one hot-dog error count for ten errors from lack of talent?

 

yesterday...was constantly complaining to umpires about nothing (remember when he was called out on a bang-bang play at second, replay showed he was clearly out and yet he chirped at the umpire for literally the next 3 innings while on the field?

He doesn't whine that much (compared to some of our other players), but he does whine on random calls on occasion. Nobody would care if he wasn't being put through a microscope.

 

"...the eye black scandal was the last straw. And bear in mind those are just the things we SAW...who knows how he was in the clubhouse but if his actions on the field are any indication he was a toolbag there too."

So, because of the poor behaviour we saw on the field, we'll just assume that he was a douche in every other aspect. OK. That makes sense.

 

Frankly, I liked his energy. Guy was always smiling and goofing around with his teammates. The eyeblack incident was stupid, but does not make him the raging homphobe people accuse him of being.

For a city that elected a guy who said he didn't want money being spent on AIDS because it only kills gays and drug-users, it's a little perplexing that we drummed Escobar out of town because of a childish prank.

[Dick_Pole]

"For a city that elected a guy who said he didn't want money being spent on AIDS because it only kills gays and drug-users, it's a little perplexing that we drummed Escobar out of town because of a childish prank."

 

Dumb baseball fans and people who vote in the city's mayoral election are probably two very different sets of populations within the city. Also, I'll take a guess that most of the people booing weren't booing because of the maricon incident.

 

From Larry Murphy to Yunel Escobar, every ex-player that was ever booed in this city was due to some lofty expectations that this player would bring on a winning team, and when that didn't happen, he gets booed. If the Jays were in first place yesterday, the boos would have been much less. It would be more like "Thanks Yunel, trading you helped bring in some winning players". The boos for Yunel serve as a great proxy for boos towards AA, Gord Ash, Paul Beeston, JP (pick your choice), Interbrew and everyone else that has had a hand in making this team suck the last 20 years.

[GD]

As soon as I read "Yunel" in the title I knew this would be good.

[wilko]

Yunel Escobar is an idiot. /thread.