NHL Thread

[Spanky99]

But yet you've already decided the dumbness of someone based on a situation that you aren't familiar with.

 

The goaltending is a problem....Dubas knows this...especially when your Top 2 guys aren't healthy.

Salary cap is a problem.

Who's available that's actually decent?

What is the cost in assets and in dollars?

Are they expiring contracts? Cause ideally you're looking for a guy who'll be a UFA (expansion draft factors into this)...

 

There are multiple variables involved. Making a bad deal for a goalie could have longer term implications.

 

So much this ^^^^

[RobinThicc]

But yet you've already decided the dumbness of someone based on a situation that you aren't familiar with.

 

The goaltending is a problem....Dubas knows this...especially when your Top 2 guys aren't healthy.

Salary cap is a problem.

Who's available that's actually decent?

What is the cost in assets and in dollars?

Are they expiring contracts? Cause ideally you're looking for a guy who'll be a UFA (expansion draft factors into this)...

 

There are multiple variables involved. Making a bad deal for a goalie could have longer term implications.

 

I dont need to be a gm to call one dumb.

 

Salary cap is fine, they can add a player if they really want to, with retention and also having a third team retain more. Based on past deals, retention doesnt cost that much.

 

Theres a handful of pending ufa goalies that are decent on bad teams. Not hard to find one, if they really want to.

 

Regardless, they shouldnt go into the playoffs with Andersen and Campbell as their guys

[Spanky99]

I dont need to be a gm to call one dumb.

 

Salary cap is fine, they can add a player if they really want to, with retention and also having a third team retain more. Based on past deals, retention doesnt cost that much.

 

Theres a handful of pending ufa goalies that are decent on bad teams. Not hard to find one, if they really want to.

 

Regardless, they shouldnt go into the playoffs with Andersen and Campbell as their guys

 

So who the heck is available, there will be none from contending teams or rebuilding teams, possibly Keumper, Ullmark, which would cost them bigly in player/pick capital and takes two to tango, and that's my pipe dream as they have more control, and I don't believe for the cost it's still not that big of an improvement.

 

Please name these tendy's?

Edited March 31, 2021 by Spanky99

[RobinThicc]

So who the heck is available, there will be none from contending teams or rebuilding teams, possibly Keumper, Ullmark, which would cost them bigly in player/pick capital and takes two to tango, and that's my pipe dream as they have more control, and I don't believe for the cost it's still not that big of an improvement.

 

Please name these tendy's?

 

Ullmark, Rittich, Keumper or Raanta, Bernier, Wedgewood.

[BTS]

Ullmark, Rittich, Keumper or Raanta, Bernier, Wedgewood.

 

There isn't really an obvious target there.

 

Ullmark - not clear Buffalo is going to move him

Rittich - not a clear upgrade

Kuemper - injured

Raanta - injured

Bernier - not a clear upgrade

Wedgewood - not a clear upgrade

 

If you're suggesting that the Leafs bring in a 3rd goalie as insurance to prevent Hutchinson from starting in the playoffs, then that makes some sense, but there isn't really anyone out there who seems like a good bet to actually start playoff games unless Andersen and Campbell are still both out in a month. I guess Kuemper if he comes back healthy? But Toronto would have to pay a steep price for him, and it's not clear how effective he'll be if he comes back this season. He'd also likely cost Toronto Campbell in the expansion draft.

[Spanky99]

There isn't really an obvious target there.

 

Ullmark - not clear Buffalo is going to move him

Rittich - not a clear upgrade

Kuemper - injured

Raanta - injured

Bernier - not a clear upgrade

Wedgewood - not a clear upgrade

 

If you're suggesting that the Leafs bring in a 3rd goalie as insurance to prevent Hutchinson from starting in the playoffs, then that makes some sense, but there isn't really anyone out there who seems like a good bet to actually start playoff games unless Andersen and Campbell are still both out in a month. I guess Kuemper if he comes back healthy? But Toronto would have to pay a steep price for him, and it's not clear how effective he'll be if he comes back this season. He'd also likely cost Toronto Campbell in the expansion draft.

 

Ullmark or Kuemper... the rest aren't even close. I wasn't thinking of that angle on losing Campbell, f*** that. That'd be a hefty loss and he's dirt cheap.

[Krylian]

And Ullmark just got back from being out a month too...so it's not like he's a pillar of health this season either.

 

My point is there's nothing clear cut.

[Spanky99]

And Ullmark just got back from being out a month too...so it's not like he's a pillar of health this season either.

 

My point is there's nothing clear cut.

 

And Kuemper is week to week, there's really nothing available.

[Krylian]

And Kuemper is week to week, there's really nothing available.

 

All that said, a goaltending overhaul will be happening in the off-season. I truly believe that Freddie is gone...once the expansion draft happens we'll be getting ourselves a brand new goalie for 21-22.

 

...and as a side, the Leafs haven't really developed a Top 10 calibre goalie in about 30 years (Potvin). Rask would've been, but we know what happened there. Reimer was never an upper echelon starter. 30 years is a brutal track record.

[BTS]

All that said, a goaltending overhaul will be happening in the off-season. I truly believe that Freddie is gone...once the expansion draft happens we'll be getting ourselves a brand new goalie for 21-22.

 

...and as a side, the Leafs haven't really developed a Top 10 calibre goalie in about 30 years (Potvin). Rask would've been, but we know what happened there. Reimer was never an upper echelon starter. 30 years is a brutal track record.

 

It could be worse. They could be the Flyers. The only goalie they've developed since Ron Hextall is Sergei Bobrovsky, but they traded him away before he broke out. And where the leafs have often managed to acquire good goalies externally (Joseph, Belfour, Andersen) the Flyers have basically been floundering in net for 25 years.

[wilko]

It could be worse. They could be the Flyers. The only goalie they've developed since Ron Hextall is Sergei Bobrovsky, but they traded him away before he broke out. And where the leafs have often managed to acquire good goalies externally (Joseph, Belfour, Andersen) the Flyers have basically been floundering in net for 25 years.

 

Now Carter Heart is sucking and it seems management's not handling it very well.

[Spanky99]

What does McJesus get, if anything?

 

[Spanky99]

Well, this is good...

 

[Spanky99]

All that said, a goaltending overhaul will be happening in the off-season. I truly believe that Freddie is gone...once the expansion draft happens we'll be getting ourselves a brand new goalie for 21-22.

 

...and as a side, the Leafs haven't really developed a Top 10 calibre goalie in about 30 years (Potvin). Rask would've been, but we know what happened there. Reimer was never an upper echelon starter. 30 years is a brutal track record.

 

An overhaul, just Freddie likely... Campbell will be back for sure.

[Krylian]

An overhaul, just Freddie likely... Campbell will be back for sure.

 

Hutch possibly gone too. Campbell should be the only one left standing I think.

[RobinThicc]

There isn't really an obvious target there.

 

Ullmark - not clear Buffalo is going to move him

Rittich - not a clear upgrade

Kuemper - injured

Raanta - injured

Bernier - not a clear upgrade

Wedgewood - not a clear upgrade

 

If you're suggesting that the Leafs bring in a 3rd goalie as insurance to prevent Hutchinson from starting in the playoffs, then that makes some sense, but there isn't really anyone out there who seems like a good bet to actually start playoff games unless Andersen and Campbell are still both out in a month. I guess Kuemper if he comes back healthy? But Toronto would have to pay a steep price for him, and it's not clear how effective he'll be if he comes back this season. He'd also likely cost Toronto Campbell in the expansion draft.

 

All those guys are clear upgrades on andersen.

 

Beet case Andersen is done for the year or you can dump him off to another team.

[Krylian]

What does McJesus get, if anything?

 

 

$5000 fine

[Spanky99]

$5000 fine

 

Yeah, saw it... wild.

[Spanky99]

All those guys are clear upgrades on andersen.

 

Beet case Andersen is done for the year or you can dump him off to another team.

 

Please stop.

[BTS]

All those guys are clear upgrades on andersen.

 

Well that's just not true.

[Spanky99]

Well that's just not true.

 

lol

[RobinThicc]

Well that's just not true.

go on whatever site you want and compare things like their high danger sv %, GSAx, etc.

 

You put some of those guys on the Leafs, their numbers would blow andersens out of the water. Only thing andersen has on those guys are his 5v5 save%, but he's on a much stronger 5v5 team than those other guys.

[RobinThicc]

Andersens goaltending on the pk alone shows he's a not good fit.

 

Leafs should want to play high event hockey, so they can get more use out of their elite powerplay, but the refs usually balance things out, so the leafs need a goalie who can actually make a save when their team is down a player. Andersen cant.

[BTS]

go on whatever site you want and compare things like their high danger sv %, GSAx, etc.

 

You put some of those guys on the Leafs, their numbers would blow andersens out of the water. Only thing andersen has on those guys are his 5v5 save%, but he's on a much stronger 5v5 team than those other guys.

 

I don’t know anything about hockey stats, but if they’re indicating that 11 games is sufficient enough evidence to suggest that a career AHL goalie like Wedgwood is a good bet to outperform Andersen going forward, I find that very dubious.

[RobinThicc]

I don’t know anything about hockey stats, but if they’re indicating that 11 games is sufficient enough evidence to suggest that a career AHL goalie like Wedgwood is a good bet to outperform Andersen going forward, I find that very dubious.

 

Fair enough on wedgewood.

 

Worth noting andersen hasnt been good for a couple years now. I just think they reallt need to move on, even if it is for someone less established.

 

We know what andersen is going to do, and its not good enough.

[Spanky99]

I don’t know anything about hockey stats, but if they’re indicating that 11 games is sufficient enough evidence to suggest that a career AHL goalie like Wedgwood is a good bet to outperform Andersen going forward, I find that very dubious.

 

lol... thanks buddy.

[Spanky99]

Yeaaaaaaah Campbell. Answer these ****s.

[Spanky99]

Huge win, Campbell's a boss.

[Krylian]

Yeaaaaaaah Campbell. Answer these ****s.

 

Campbell is good. Can he stay healthy? That's a concern. If he can, I'm in.

[Spanky99]

GO LEAFS GO!!!