Carlos Danger

Average by what standard? .318 BA and a .357 OBP... and low Ks.. is bad? What some people seem to forget is that before Bautistas HR in game 5 of the ALDS, Martin to his credit put the ball in play and was fast down the line. Then they had a speedster going down the line in Rivera who put the ball in play.. Then a speedster in to PR broke up possible double play at the plate. In game 3 of the 2016 ALDS Martin put the ball in play, even thought it was a tailor made DP ball, and to his credit again hustled down the line rushing Odor.. allowing Donaldson to come home. We lost a lot of one run games because our offense was one dimensional and when we were not hitting a HR, we had a hard time manufacturing a run. The percentages of a fast guy getting on with a single, stealing 2b, getting bunted over and coming into score on a sac fly are much higher than a guy hitting a HR or two guys hitting two doubles etc.. Especially when even the best hitters get out 7 out of 10 times and only the elite HR hitters will get a Hr in more than 30% of the games during a 162 game season (assuming 50 Hrs hit over different games). What stats are you using to say Ben Revere was a bad hitter with the Blue Jays? OPS? EE and JB were horrible in the 2016 ACLS. In the 2015 ACLS we had all the HR hitters but KC was able to manufacture more runs and killed us with singles and doing the little things.. I believe you need a balanced attack and speed never slumps, putting the ball in play and low Ks has a lot of benefits that end up adding up.

What part of Revere's offense was s***** for a lead off hitter when he was with the Blue Jays???

I used Stub Hub when I went to the Rogers Center in July. I read that I am able to use the bar codes on my cell, however I was nervous and with my family so I had the Concierge at my hotel print them out. Turned out I would have been fine with my cell. The only issue is if your cell freezes, battery dies, you drop it etc, you are screwed.. So my advice is if it is not a PITA to print them, print them. If it is, then just go with your cell, but make sure you have a full battery and don't drop it') Edit to add, I know my example was Rogers center, but Yankee stadium does accept mobile bar codes from Stubhub. Other sites they might not, Stub Hub they do.

Give the Security guard a raise, if it were not for him taking out Grichuck, Hernandez would not be in the game😉

He was trying to get out the way of Smoak, I don't think it is is fault.

Ok, guys some valid points. So, do you think McKinney is a suitable lead-off hitter going FWD, (however you like your lead-off hitters). Do you accept the premise we have not had a solid lead off hitter the past two/three seasons?

Again, I am not and NEVER said McKinney is like Ben Revere. I simply stated, IMO, he is the first true lead off hitter we have had since Revere, and before Revere, Reyes. I am by no means saying they are the same type of player. I am stating they were true lead -off hitters, like them or not and IMO Mckinney is a solid lead off hitter (so far) and the first we have had since 2015. I have stated that my comparison to McKinney is Bret Gardner, who is also a successful lead off hitter.

IMO, high OBP, contact hitter with low Ks, speed, in the sense it puts pressure on/distracts the pitcher when on base, puts pressure on the D. A guy who can go 1st to 3rd based on the premise your RBIs guys are coming up next but might not always get a double or HR etc.

The whole point of my origional post is that I believe Mckinney is a true lead off hitter, the first one we have had since Revere. You have to disagree with two points to disagree with my statement. 1. Ben Revere was not a true lead off hitter and that we have had a true lead off hitter since, up until McKinney. What part of my startement is not correct or factual?

Your stull stuck in the Bill James era like many of the guys on this board. Even Bill James has admitted that there are many flaws in his metrics. The Cubs GM, World Series Winning Cubs, philoshpy is a fusion of both analytics and some old school. Some guys on this board have argued an out is an out. Mileninal Bull s***! A speedy contact hitter that puts the ball and play and does not K at a high rate puts more pressure on the D. Then when he is at 1B puts more pressure in the pitcher, and allows the manager more options. Having this type of hitter come to the plate more frequently and the ability to manufacture a run, ends up paying off. Especially in one run tie games. But go ahead and put some fat ass station to station guy in the lead off spot because he walks a lot and has a higher OPS etc (weighted stat). Lack of a true lead off hitter is a reason AA went and got Ben Revere for the stretch run. It has contributed in part of the reason our offence has sucked when faced with a half decent pitcher and we have had a poor results in one run games.

He had a .354 OBP, over .300 BA, low K contact hitter with speed and stolen bases. I am not saying he was Rickey Henderson but we have not had anyone close to that since.

I never said Revere was great, I stated he was the last true lead off hitter we have had.

Yes, I want the young guys given ABs as much as possible. In this I am in agreement with Orgfiller. What I thought made sense was PR for Tellez in bottom of the 8th 1 run game. We shall see...

I assume Maile is in there so they can PH for Urena in the bottom of the 9th?

Then why do we keep taking MCkinney out for a PH. We are trying to win and we have an expanded roster. 8th inning at home down 1.

No PR for Tellez??

Shapiro better use some of those prospects we are stocking to get some pitching. We can have 9 Guerros and we will still be short on pitching.

I will admit that is nice throw.. Is he back on the juice...?

Yes, two of us at least in this thread have had the same thought. First player that came to mind after I saw him a few times. I just wrote in the GDT that I think he is the first legitimate lead off hitter we have had since Ben Revere..

Not the 2018 version of Melky.

I think McKinney is the first legitimate lead off hitter we have had since Ben Revere.. Something we have been sorely lacking..

Nope, nada... Morales still sucks, Grichuk couldn't get it done and Rowdy is K or double, no middle ground.

Did Buck just say Melky has a a good arm??

Good start, let's see if they can cash em in!

Barnes is going to s*** the bed, watch..