Carlos Danger

Have an fnnnn eye Pillar... You are a fnnn veteran..

f***! How did he not get to 3rd???

Ok Davis, lets spin them wheels!!

Lieter looks like a thin Jesse Litch..... As I write this, it looks like he pitches like him too

Nice manufactured run by the Bosox..

s*** D from a veteran... Which makes me ponder. What is our best defensive alignment IF, next year with the players we have now? Assume it is mid April and Vlad is here Tulo is still hurt or retired;), but Bichette and Bigio are not up in the bigs.. Drury at 2b and Gurriel at SS Or Diaz at 2b? Or Gurriel at 2b and Diaz at SS?

1. I was actually f***ing with you/trolling, pulling your strings whatever.. Wait, that would make you the Muppet.. Anyway, I was f***ing with you a bit. I agree bunting against a knuckleballer is problematic. 2. You are right though, I do believe in some of that. So let's break that down.. We had 6 outs left in a game we are down 1-0 on the road in the 8th inning. If we do not score that inning, it is Closer time and one of the best if not the best closer in the game.. So, while you do have 6 outs, what are your chances going to be like for 3 of them?? I would take my chances with a bird in the hand instead of hoping for more later in the bush.. 3. If you can get a runner on 3b with a knuckleballer, it puts a hell of a lot of pressure on him and the catcher.. We increase our chances to score on a passed ball, wild pitch etc. Just like late inning relief guys who have wicked curve balls, but sometimes, they cause issues with runner on 3rd. 4. I don't like a hitter like Pillar, he went through spurts and goes though spurts were he swings at s*** in the on deck circle and Ks too much. In this case, I understood why they PH for Davis. It was a Knuckelballer that Davis had probably never seen one and Pillar had a good record against. If it were a normal pitcher I would have left Davis in there.. But that is me... So, while I was not adamant to bunt in that situation. You never said it was f***ing stupid because of a Knuckleballer. You wrote any one advocating a bunt is f***ing stupid because we have 6 outs left and you don't give up an out. On that alone, I don't agree and certainly don't think anyone is f***ing stupid for not agreeing. Did you forget the Red Sox have Kimbrel..?

How did that work out for us....

Wow, Clippard surprised me...

Lead off double and nada... F%^^ck!!

Fnn Ksss Killl s*** what a bad AB

I love me some speedy black guys..

I have no problem with this on the 93 Jays team.. But who on the 2015 Jays should have been batting lead off? Wasn't Travis hurt half the time..? It was not Carlos Danger is my name, who decided to bat him lead-off.. It was John Gibbons and I am pretty sure AA. If AA wanted just a great D guy to bolster our problems in LF he could have got many other better defenders I would suppose. Many guys on here are on another thread slobbing Gibbons knob saying how great he is and he shouldn't leave. Yet on that Juggernaut 2015 team, Revere was batting lead-off.. So both Gibbons and AA were f***ed up and didn't know you HAVE to put one of your three best hitters in the lead-off spot? I don't get it.. AA and Gibbons are God's but they didn't know what they were doing when they put Revere at lead-off??

Fake News. I never said Ben Revere was THE reason. I clearly stated that even with a huge run differential at the trade deadline we were a 500 or below team... WHY???? We had super duper HUGE boner run differential, how could that be??? 1. Because our defense needed tightening!! Reyes, a platoon of Valencia and Calabello or whomever we were putting out there in LF were costing us a lot of runs. 2. We still needed another starter and Dickey sucked. 3. Our pen needed help 4. We lost a number of close/low scoring games. We were not winning a lot of games where we were not scoring something like 5 or 6 plus runs. Revere helped significantly with the D in LF. As AA stated, he gave us an element that the offence did not have.. The ABOVE has been my whole point since we started this debate. The offence to a degree in 2015, more so in 2016 had trouble scoring runs when we were not hitting the long ball or being able to manufacture a run. Revere was a part, only a part (Obviously Tulo and Price were the keys) of our emergence from a very good team playing 500 ball to a division winner and an ACLS participant, but he added an element we did not have and was useful.

I guess Cora is a better poker player than Gibby.. Not surprised with our legacy pen.. But that sucks for the guys..

Borucki = Halladay

Manufactured run MFrsss SPEED. Power to the fast Blackman!! Word!

Still a rookie, this is his Mulligan.. don't let it happen again!

Ouch...

Agree 100% We had the best run differential of anyone in 2015 and we had that prior to the trade deadline. Where were we at the trade deadline, a team floating around or 2 games under 500 if I recall. We should have been winning much more with the run differential, but we were not. AA knew this, so he made our D much better for one, Tulo and Revere and obviously went out and got the best pitching he could. However, Price was only going to pitch every fifth day and the guy from Seattle He also knew that a run differential stat can be because you have a bunch of wins where you blow teams out and score 8-10 runs, but when you look at the standings, you are still a 500 team because you are losing a lot of 1 run games and games in general. Some of that has to do with the pen but, from the words of the mighty AA himself about our vaunted 2015 offense, talking about Ben Revere. “He’s someone that brings an element to our lineup that we don’t have,” Anthopoulos says, referring to Revere’s speed. “Just having that pest . . . who can put pressure on the defense, steal a base when everybody in the park knows he’s going, it’s just a completely new element for our offence.” Yes, we had success and it was great.. I am old enough to have grown up expecting success every year with the Jays when I was a kid/teenager. However, after we beat Texas and Baltimore the one game, we had our ass handed to us in the ALCS.. In 2015, it was Dickey, the pen to some degree, but we got flat shut out, ZERO runs game 1 to set the tone. In the 2016 ALCS we couldn't score with a Brad Pitt Doppelganger at a Thai whorehouse. Again, all I am saying is we needed, and need a balanced attack that did not always rely so much on the sluggers and Revere added an element to that in the 2015 season.

You spelled colored wrong.

You mean Dayton Moore the GM of the 2015 WS Champions that beat us in 6 games in the ALCS, two of those games basically blowouts.. My point being, he is at the bottom of the league due to lack of current talent/ or money not philosophy. So, now he forgot how to build a baseball team..? They didn't have their best hitter by far at lead off in 2015.. Going purely by stats, Reveres's number were better than Escobars. (Escobar somehow became ALCS MVP) but season stats wise Revere out performed him..

I honestly can't tell if you are being serious here?

Didn't we try that for a few games?? I could swear we did for a while... The issue I have is, so if he has a good OBP and he gets on, then you really need two more hits short of a HR to get him home. Yes, I think he led the league was near the top a few years for doubles, but if he is not hitting a double, or HR, you need a lot of s*** to go right to get him home. A guy like that will rarely hit a triple. So, gets on with a walk, base hit or much less times a double. So you get him to third with less than two outs. There is a ball hit to mid right field or the SS position at double play depth. You would 100% send a guy like Revere in both cases, hope they don't make the perfect throw. You might have to hold a guy like Overbay... Overbay is rarely going 1st to 3rd or able to stay out of a double play with his speed. So, % wise in the long run, do you score more runs just because a guy has more power if they have mas o menos the same OBP?

Ok: 1. Some of you guys obviously did not read the thread and are just jumping on the pile with totally unrelated BS. NEVER did I compare Revere and McKinney. The premise that started this thing is that I said I believe McKinney is the first true lead off hitter since Ben Revere. A few key f***ing words here to keep in mind going forward. First Lead off hitter SINCE. NOT he is the same, NOT fnn McKinney is like Revere. Some of you need to go back to basic reading comprehension and get your heads out of the spread sheets. Then there was some debate about Revere being a s*** lead off hitter, blah,blah, blah.. The FACT is, he was true lead-off hitter by the assessment of the majority of GMs, not internet trolls who self-admittedly live in their Mom's basement. When he was with the Blue Jays, he put up numbers that you were solid. We can debate solid, but suck on a big dick if you want to try and tell me that an over .319 BA, 354 .OBP one of the lowest K rates in the game, and speed does not qualify as a decent lead -off hitter. 2. One of the posters said we lost game 6 of the 2015 ALCS by 1 run, and said Revere had 5 ABs, EE and JB only 4. The following posts were all in response to that. I never f***ing said that I want a team made up of slap hitting speedsters. Then a bunch of you throw ISO blah, blah blah at me. The fact of the matter is f***ers, we lost! We did NOT win with our vaunted boner making offense we lost,. then we got beat like a red headed step child (Spanky is that you?) the next year in the ALCS. I think you all must work for the Government where doing well and mediocrity is rewarded and ok. I work for the private sector and my employer demands results and success or I am fnn gone. Go suck a big multi-colored cock filled with advance metrics during the season which meant s*** in the ACLS in both 2015 and even more so in 2016. Yes, our pitchers did not get the job done. However, it was not Revere who made the last out with the tying run on 3b and the go-ahead on 3rd, it was the 2015 Mother f***ing VP JD. Revere did make an out that inning with a K. However, % wise, going back to stats.. Martin singled to start the inning.. Good for him, I think he should be batting no lower than 7, but anyway.. They bring in a PR (SPEED) Pompey steals 2b. (SPEED) Pompey steals 3rd (SPEED). Pillar walks (small miracle occurred) Navarro Ks, BAD Out, Ks kill! Pillar steals 2b (SPEED) Runners on 2nd and 3rd, no out, top 9, Jays down by 1. Teams with runners on 2nd and 3rd 0 outs have averaged 1.45 runs Then you have Revere at the plate. He only Kd 17 times in the whole season looking, he was a very low K contact guy, speedy and hard to double up. Our chances there to tie the game at some point that inning are higher % wise then EE, JB or Donaldson getting a hit.. and I would add sac fly. Percentage wise when you need one run with a Sac etc I would put Revere there time and time again even though in this case he ended up Kng. The percentages over time based on his K rate, contact rate and speed tell you there is a greater % of the Jays getting a run then other types of hitters. I never said, nor do I believe we need a team full of Ben fnn Revere.. NO.. I stated we need a balance attack and the ability to score runs when our power is getting shut down which many times it does in the playoffs when you are facing Aces and long bullpens that are the best in the game. This example is more prevalent in the 2016 ALCS.. Thank you also for the comparison to Harold Reynolds. I have only ever heard that comparison before with an ex-girlfriend when we were naked (FYI-Ia m a white guy). Like the first time, I am flattered. Harold Reynolds was the most in-tune analyst during the whole "7th" inning". He knew the ball was live before anyone else. He made accurate assessments of all that was going on and as a former MLB infielder for many years, understand the dynamics of pressure on the D, speed down the line, putting the ball in play that some of you nerds scoff at. He has been a paid analyst for ESPN, FOX and MLB Network. So, I am proud to be compared to Harold and have no problem on being on the opposite side, not wrong side, opposite side of a bunch of guys who do this s*** for free from their Mom's basement. I like everyone here, and enjoy the board, but some of you cant't see the forest through the trees with your spin of various "advance metrics" and cum gobbler cultism of everything in baseball old school is bad=wrong. PS: OPS is a weighted stat that makes guys like Colby Rasmus look good. PSS: How the f*** can you accurately project a teams wins or a player's WAR etc when you have no fnnn idea if he will catch his girlfriend hosting the visiting locker room gang bang, get a divorce, or a sick family member and head is in the clouds.. injuries, legal issues, whatever, too many variables to make an accurate statistical prediction with to many human variables. Just wanted to get the two PSSs of my chest;) Thanks for your applause...Don't forget to tip your waiter..