Carlos Danger

Not anything he can't buy his way out of in Mexico. The issue is what if any action MLB would take..

So you are saying there is a chance...

I heard that also. Estrada was also AA which turned out nice. There was also that loophole he used with that catcher in Colorado that they ended up closing the year after that got us a draft pick and ended up being someone decent.. ICR

I suck at math. My point was with respect to frequency equals WS wins. Braves were in the WS in 91, 92, then 3 times after according to your post. So going back to 91, the Braves had 5 WS appearances and 1 WS win. Blue Jays have 2 appearances and 2 wins. That is all I was saying.

Thanks! I was hoping you would chime in on that. For some reason I recalled you being a coinsure of all things Vidal

Thanks! What about the fact that both are only 2b in Fantrax and projected to be 2b in MLB I think, correct? Flip one or?

Thank you. Is the order you wrote the +2 three guys plus Springer the order you rank them or was it just random?

I bet they cried for days when Huntington left the Pirates and Cherington came in.. No chance for ransack part II

Need some more help guys. I have pick #2 in a disbursement draft. Yelich is going #1, so right now pick #2 could be Corey Seager, or one of Glasnow, Scherzer, Strasburg, Kershaw, Maeda, Merrifield, Eugene Suarez, to name a few. Another owner really wants my pick. This is a Dynasty league HTH with contracts same league and scoring as previous posts. I am debating if I should take one of the above players with pick #2 Or ask him for one of Springer or Ian Happ for CF, I don't have a CF on my roster (pick one?). Dynasty where you have FAAB and need to sign contracts 31/32 vs 26/27..? Plus, one or two of his young guys. I need help ranking a package Gavin Lux Carter Kieboom Vidal Brujan Luis Campusano San Huff Seth Beer Josh Jong Travis Swaggerty Thanks!!

You sure do love older SPs on the downward plane. I am surprised the Hurl hasn't begged you to join one of his fantasy leagues so he could dump all his old / injury risk SPs on you in trade

Listen, I love Biggio, Bichette and some others. I appreciate the farm system is much better then under AA. However, at the end of the day, the goal is to win a WS and at least go far in the playoffs so as many have said you increase your chances year after year to win the WS. I don't believe you can consider making the playoffs this season and out in 2 the same as winning the AL East and going to game 6 of the NCLS. 2016 was a 65-35 split effort 65% being AA. The Miami Marlins made the playoffs this year and actually won a few games. Everyone on this board told me the Marlins suck!! We have a better looking, more exciting and sustainable long term business plan under Atkins/Shapiro at the moment, but we still still need to see the results before we proclaim Atkins anything. AA should start 100 points ahead just for the Josh Donaldson trade. If there is any player I want to dump from the Jays it is Randall Grichuk.. That is/was Atkins biggest contract/extension prior to Ryu.. Still too much to be determined IMO.. Great to have a good farms and young players, need to bring it home though. That is the tricky part or San Diego would have 10 WS wins.

So, your first novel had some good points. However, if I really had the time I could counter every example it did not work with a number where it did work. The Blue Jays have one more WS win then the Braves the past 25 years, yet the Braves were in the playoffs a LOT more. The Cubs have the same amount of WS wins in the last 20 years as the Dodgers. I disagree with my friend BTS that the Cubs win without Chapman. Blue Jays do not win in 92 without Cone. Blue Jays do not get to playoffs in 2015 without those moves. Much like movie sequels, part II of your novel is no where near as good as part one. Your very first premise is dead wrong. AA was offered a contract, a large contract $$ wise. He had NO fear that Shapiro was going to kick him out and replace him. (unless he was prepared to eat a large contract) You and I and no one on this board knows exactly what happened behind the scenes. You don't need to get legalize with what autonomy means. It is well known in all major league sports that many GMs have more autonomy as far as player decisions then others and more independence then others. Baseball, NFL, Basketball and Hockey. This is what was predominant in the media the end of the 2015 season. Shapiro and AA had lunch, met, meeting or whatever and Shapiro was critical of AA, "selling the farm". AA, a Canadian kid on the only Canadian team, who just experienced the greatest high in Canadian sport in 20 plus years, names Executive of the year, offered a multi- million dollar contract, loved by the media and fans at that time, still in his 30's, walks away.. Why??? It is industry consensus that it had to do with the "power" for lack of a better term that AA would have under Shapiro vs Beaston. I can empathize with how he feels if I in my job kept my current title but someone new came in and said we are basically going to limit by inference or directly my independence and ability to act autonomously. I know I would be pissed. AA was a star at the time on a high, so what was it other than that, why he left?? Not directed at you, but this theory floating around that AA is anti-Sabre is not true if you believe AA's own words. If you watch any interviews with him post Jays, he specifically says he models himself after Theo Epstein who is a fusion of analytics (Sabre) and some traditional ways of assessing players, and that actually, as he gained experience, he move towards that positon from a more analytics based philosophy when he started. Epstein is obviously a very successful Baseball Executive and I have no issue with my GM wanting to emulate his success. You are the one pedaling falsehoods as facts, and being Hyperbolic when you don’t even realize AA was offered a contract to stay, the rest of your points on this matter become background noise. Lastly, I have prefaced in every post I have made that I do not know anything anybody else on here does, I am just a fan looking at it from 50, 000ft and reading what was put out in the media. I have never tried to imply anything I am posting about GMs decisions is fact. Fine if you don’t like or agree with my opinions, but please stop being dishonest and projecting that I am posting facts.

We made the playoffs in a shortened season with 16 teams made the playoffs and we were out in 2. The baseball odds are saying unless the Jays get a Bauer and a Singer or something like that, we are not making the playoffs in 2021 assuming it is 162 and normal amount of playoff teams. The 2016 team was still majority AAs and Tony LaCava doing the Happ or Estrada resigns,, I can't recall which.

So Shapiro would not give autonomy to an experienced GM who had just made the ALCS, but he was going to give it to a guy who had never ever been a GM? By what measure is Russ a better GM anyway. What metrics are available at this point to make that assertion. Atkins was hand picked by Shapiro because he knew Atkins knew the deal/expectations/his place in the pecking order. Not only for “baseball skills”

So, if that is true, which I believe it is, that means he would not have full autonomy. If AA would not have full autonomy, why would Atkins?

Then why did AA leave?

Cleveland wants catching!!

The Pirates have a few pitchers that I think would be upgrades in TO. Some of them it is buy low time IMO.. I wonder if they could do a package deal and get two...

Not good to have that break right in the middle of baseball FA season.. That is going to hurt I think.... s***!

More like I love me some Sandy, like Houck and Baz is just a more moveable/valuable asset to acquire someone else I might be loving on.

Thanks! Did you see post 512? Would be curious your opinion on that also? Thanks!

I think at this point we should not even be contemplating giving him a shot. We just need to go fwd in planning with Vlad at 1b or DH. Run prevention is supposed to be a goal for 2021 and Vlad at 3b does not meet that goal.

Just curious why you guys favor Lindor over TT? Thanks!

Yea because in an off season baseball thread we don't EVER try to predict what the GM would do. We don't ever try and predict what FAs they would go after or what players we will protect in rule 5 or try to predict what other GMs will do or how the manager will set his batting order or what position a player will play, etc, etc. Trying to predict what a GM will do is EXCACTLY what we are doing in this thread. It was a discussion between philosophies of two long time VPs/GMs in the game and it is relevant as any other discussion. A lot of board member engaged in the discussion and we had some activity in the place which has like 20 something regulars this time of year. It is stupid of you IMO to criticize a discussion whether a GM would trade a future hall of famer second baseman for a FA starter. (Kent/ Cone) or send a bunch of young pitching prospects for a FA starter (Price deal). If that is not legit discussion on a baseball forum in the offseason then I don't know what is... Why you don't you stop being such a curmudgeon and making comments that discourage engagement and just appreciate there IS discussion and engagement on this board. If you don't like the topic, don't participate and go watch Golden Girl reruns until there is a new topic.

How about this one? Greyson Rodriguez, Adams and Perdomo (SS Ariz) for Sandy Alcantra, Shane Baz and Tanner Houck? Thanks!