93 Jays

My opinion is probably going to differ from a lot of peoples perspective on here but here it goes anyways. 1. Trade Bautista.....he still has great value to a team that is looking to boost their lineup. Even if a sign and trade has to happen, make it happen. My personal preference would be to go after a front end bullpen arm and I'll explain why, 2. Sign Encarnacion and keep him. He is a beast and he shores upo the middle of our lineup. Move Tulo inton Bautista's spot in the order. 3. Sign Estrada. He is an important middle of the rotation arm that come the end of the year, is important if the Jays contend again. 4. Rebuild the rotation. I know a lot of folks will disagree, but our rotation can be built to last and to contend. My rotation looks like this and my bullpen follows. 1. Stroman...big surprise here, this kid is a number one and will be for years to come. 2. Sanchez....part of my reason for wanting to trad JB for a back of the bullpen arm. This kid is a bona fide front end starter. We just need to suffer the growing pains with him and let him develop alongside Stroman who will help him gain confidence in a big way 3. Estrada...guys been a horse and I don't think this year was any fluke. He performed admirably through September 4. Osuna....Sorry to bleed the bullpen, but this kids value and natural position is as a starter. As I said with Sanchez, suffer the growing pains now to reap the rewards later in the year and for years to come 5. Either service Hutchison or trade him and re sign Dickey as a no. 5 where we can count on a guy to give you 12 or 13 wins. Service Hutchison and leave as our number 5 and that frees up the 13 million we aren't paying Dickey to help rebuild this bullpen. Bullpen needs some obvious help now. Hendricks Cecil Loup?? Schultz Beyond this, our bullpen needs a serious rebuild. I think trading JB for a closer would close a big hole. Or maybe two solid bullpen arms and then sign a closer? I think this is a team that can contend and while many might be wary of both sanchez and Osuna as starters, that's their natural positions. Let them grow roots there and hopefully at least one of them flourishes at somewhere near the rate Stroman did. Those three arms along with Estrada and Dickey should be enough to carry us through until the point next year where we need to make another move for a rental like Price to put us over the hump.

Gallardo is an average pitcher with average stuff but he has owned us with both his starts this year. Some teams just don't hit certain pitchers well. Thing is that you have who? Chirinos coming through with a big hit, yet you have Bautista and Encarnacion both coming up and hitting weak grounders. Your best players have to come through and when they get shut down, the result is often not a good one. Especially when your ace hits their second tier players twice and allows them to come around to score both times. Not to worry though, I don't think Texas has anyone to shut us down after this guy. If Hamels does though, we are in trouble. But keep your spirits up, its a best of 5, not a wild card game

Depends on what kind of "crack" they're talking about? I have to assume they mean he suffered some sort of hairline fracture. The good news is that these typically do heal within 4-6 weeks with proper rest and rehab. The bad is that this is a bad injury for an infielder to have. Every single throw aggravates it big time and it's one of those injuries that lingers without proper rest, meaning an entire offseason, Depending on where the crack is, he should be able to return as a DH come playoff time. I just don't see any scenario whatsoever where he is back at SS this year. I've worked for a physio clinic many years back and I've seen this type of injury before......not on a ball player mind you. But a clean break is almost always better than a fracture as far as how the injury heals. IMO, the best they can do is to rest him for 2 weeks and see where his mobility is at from there.

Willie Upshaw was my favorite player in the days going to watch games at Exhibition place. Also knew Manny Lee and got to hit off of Luis Aquino when I was 17 years old. First and last time I ever wanted to see what 90MPH looked like.

Why trade him for a useful piece when he IS a useful piece. Pitching and defense win when the chips are down and his defense is stellar. He gets to balls that other players have no chance at and he turns the DP as well as anyone in the game. The team doesn't depend on offense from his position, so the value he gives them on defense is amplified huge. He's a defensive run saver and a momentum killer. ANY offense he gives our team is simply a bonus. On top of that, as others have mentioned, he is a capable SS who can give some days rest at that position without sacrificing defensive integrity. He is a valuable asset. Trading him for another one makes no sense considering the limited return we would get.

Yanks are falling apart just a bit. Getting injuries to Tex, Ellisbury, Rodriguez.....Getting their asses handed to them again today!

Yeah, Lewis has an ERA over 7 against us for his career in either 7 or 9 career starts. The jays beat up on him just as they have everyone else recently. With Price going on top of that, I like our chances in this one.

A few other interesting stats as well. Out of the top 40 hitters in this category, he's the ONLY player with less than 300 AB'S and look at the names surrounding him. An impressive list. Most guys have 450 Ab's. http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/stats?season=2015&category=BATTING+II&group=1&sort=12&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&splitType=0

My only problem with Chris is his defense. He's amongst the worst I've ever seen and that makes him a complete liability in the argument for increased playing time. On the other hand, his bat has been far above average and there isn't a number you could begin to suggest to convince me otherwise. In limited playing time, he has come through quite a few times with game winning hits. But his bat, at best, entitles him as an extremely valuable bat off the bench. He has no value as a backup at any position other than DH The guy has ten game winning RBI this season and the MLB leader only has 15 and Donaldson is one of those. Tied with names like Adam Jones, Chris Davis, Kendrys Morales, Bryce Harper. Not comparing him to any of these guys in any way but one. He's been clutch and if his defensive WAR wasn't so pathetic, he's actually a decent player based on his offensive numbers. http://www.sportingcharts.com/mlb/stats/player-game-winning-rbis/2015/

I don't mind him that much, but he's so far off sometimes, you'd swear he's drinking in the box. I listened to a Detroit broadcast recently and actually felt blessed to have Buck. Shows what a sad state baseball commentary has become. I honestly can't believe some of these guys actually have broadcasting jobs

Very true, Betances is way overused. But for the above poster to say their numbers are similar? Do I REALLY need to post their numbers? Because as good as they are, they are nowhere even close to Betances and Miller.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I just don't see ANY sense in bringing Price back out there when you have Cecil, Hawkins, Hendriks, Lowe and Sanchez out there. I list Sanchez last because in that situation with runners on 2-2 and one out, he's the last guy I bring in. You're going to bring him in, bring him in to start the inning, after that, do what makes sense baseball wise. And to me, baseball wise, bringing in Price was a bad baseball decision. He pitched six out of seven stressful innings where he worked his way out of jams. No sense whatsoever bringing that guy in to throw even one more pitch. On top of everything else, you risk hurting your teams most valuable pitching asset.

You're not honestly comparing Sanchez and Osuna to those guys are you? There's a reason Girardi does this and their numbers speak for themselves.

Price was tired period and he labored through some tough jams during this game. There's no way Price should've come out to pitch the 8th inning in this game, it makes no sense period. The yanks won this game due to poor decision making by our manager. We had four or five guys who were a better choice to start that inning over Price. He had done his job and his night was over. Our pen is relatively well rested and there's ZER reason to bring in Price to start that inning

A clean inning should've been handed to someone. Price had done his job, thrown over a 100 pitches and had to get himself out of a few jams making some of those innings stressful for him. I'm not saying it should have been Sanchez, but Price should not have been run out there period.

I like Sanchez, but I agree with this statement 100%. He is much less likely to get the k than any of those guys you mentioned. Even with how wild he is, a WP and a flyball tie the game. A weak seeing eye single ties the game. Sanchez was the wrong choice in this particular situation, 100% agreed

Just my opinion, not trying to flame anyone, but there's no way in hell price should've started that inning period. I told my wife when I saw him come out, this guy is tired and he's going to get hit. I'm just lost as to how a fan can see it coming as plain as day, but the organization the allows this guy to be our manager can't see it and nor can the manager in turn see it himself. Gibbons is not a big league manager on any level. His decision making is beyond poor. When Sanchez was brought out for the ninth against the Astros, I said out loud to my wife, "look at this kid, he's exhausted and if they don't watch it, they're going to hurt him." It was plain as day that he was fatigued, you could see it on his face and with his body language. Yet Gibbons ran him out there for what? A complete game? The chance of a complete game shutout? And look what happened...what was likely to happen when you do that to a pitcher NEEDLESSLY. The same thing tonight, Price LABORED through his start and managed to get you seven scoreless. So obvious his night was over, yet not to the guy entrusted to manage our major league team. I could see it as plain as day his night was done and what was likely to happen? Happened. I'm not jumping on this guy because of tonight. It's an accumulation of poor decisions resulting in losses for our baseball team. Tonight was just simply another notch in the belt and another loss that should never have happened.

I love his offense. He's actually won as many games for us with his bat as anyone except Donaldson. But the guy is a f***ing pile on defensively. He's the Canseco that gets hit in the head by a fly ball like a homer, for a homer! Even at first base, he is really really bad. But he's had some clutch hits that have won games for us. Walked off against the Astros, Game winner in that almost no hitter by Estrada against T.B. There's just no place on the field to put the guy without him being a liability

I've watched this team day in and day out for over 35 years and I take my girls at least 3 times per season to catch games. Which is kinda dumbfounding because you'd think they'd at least get the basics after watching so many games. My 11 year old still has no comprehension of the game whatsoever. A run is a goal and a fly ball that is caught is still a home run apparently. A chip off the old block I must say! Great to see fans like the OP who follow this team even when the chips are down.

He has a much better than average curve. He doesn't need any other pitches. His sinking fastball and his curve are more than enough to get him by. He needs to harness his command and he will be a beast for years to come. It may turn out that he just doesn't have the makeup mentally to become a consistent starter.

Angels would be troll dust if it weren't for Trout. If L.A folds up and dies, it'll make it harder for trout to win. I love Donaldson and what he has done for our team, but people will argue to the death that our team is stacked. But there's no arguing the contribution this guy has made with his walk offs and game winning hits. Not to mention how #FYSMC gave this team a kick in the ass!

Chavez has been ok, just victimized by David Ortiz's brother from another mother, Ryan Goins.

He's a wee bit better than Canseco and good ole George Bell at least! lol I cringe at Jose's defense sometimes but his offense makes up for it and then some

The "doomsdayers" as I call em, will never go away. This team isn't going to win every game. They're going to have bad games, defensive let downs, but they always make it exciting. And ONE more thing. They're our f***ing team, good or bad, accept them both as a true fan does.

I don't think much about the luck thing because I don't see much of it of it being a factor. Without the walks in the bullpen, he has induced weak contact on a consistent basis and continues to do so. In the rotation, with the walks, he induced weak contact for the most part around those walks, allowing himself to pitch out of jams. Is that just luck? I can't even begin to try and answer that because I don't see any merit in it whatsoever. I used to have trouble with guys who had decent sinkers and it's pretty widely known that when a sinker ball pitcher keeps the ball down, he will have success generally. When it leaks up, he will get mashed a lot more often. Except Aaron can get away with some mistakes because of his velocity. But the jams I watched this kid work out of were the result of hitters CONTINUALLY hitting the top half of the ball, which is precisely what a sinker balls aspires to achieve. I rarely saw him make bad pitches in those situations, getting bailed out by the hitter. My opinion is that if you take away, for arguments sake, the massive amount of walks he was surrendering, and have those AB's settled by HIY or out, his stuff tends to indicate that the result would most often be out. In the pen, last year over 34 innings, opposing hitters tore him up with a batting average of .130, this year thus far only .225. Even with an inflated walk rate against him and an opposing OBP of .327 his opposing OPS is still only .686. Even with his inflated walk rate this year, his WHIP is still only 1.31. If you take his walks down to a respectable 2/9IP, you have 20 AB's to work with and with his stuff on his averages thus far, you allow for say five hits. So what percentage of those hits are in crucial situations is anyone's guess. I'm not educated highly on all the metric stats. But his averages thus far suggest that his opponents don't hit for a high average against and with his GB percentage being very good, leads me to believe that without the walks, he's a dominant pitcher, just as he is out of the pen.