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If he's healthy he'd be a nice get. Hopefully it would be a minor league deal or a very low guarantee with incentives.

Lacava in his interviews compared him to Estrada last year saying they can have him in long relief then make starts if he needs to. My guess is if hutch looks good in ST he gets the job and Chavez is in the pen.

You would of done those 2 moves if you were running the blue jays?

Yeah that Chavez trade looks really bad considering what the prices for 6th starter/long relievers got in FA. Smoak at 3.9 is a bit questionable as well.

No QO attached has some extra value as well.

you beat me to it!

Shelby Miller career numbers 7.56 K/9 3.24 BB/9 42.3 GB% xFIP 4.08 Blue Jays 5th starter career numbers 8.28 K/9 2.83 BB/9 38.8 GB% xFIP 4.00

Hopefully Zobrist won't get that much because it will be used as a direct comparison in Bautista contract talks.

RIP Max Pentecost. http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/pentecost-may-see-time-a-first-base-after-another-surgery/

Sorry "homegrown star". If you are referencing the Donaldson trade, he was one of the only ones in recent memory and the Oakland As are a low payroll team unlike Toronto so I would call those situations different.

This happens for every team. For a team to trade a franchise player they have to feel like they are winning the trade by a good margin otherwise its not worth it. Teams will always be more attached to their own players.

Funny I just knew that Wilner wrote that before clicking it.

I wouldn't say that. He was elite in the first half and still pretty good in the 2nd half. Pitching for the Jays his strikeouts weren't as high but he still got a ton of swing and miss so there might of been some luck in there.

So I got ridiculed for suggesting I wouldn't trade Stroman straight up for Fernandez yesterday. Dave Cameron of FG came out with a piece on Fernandez's value so I thought I'd look at Stroman's projected value. Article can be found here http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/figuring-out-jose-fernandezs-trade-value/ When estimating Fernandez's salary for the next 3 years his total projected surplus comes in around 107 Million. Jose Fernandez’s Contract Estimate — 3 yr / $132.6 M Year Age WAR $/WAR Est. Value 2016 23 5.0 $8.0 M $40.0 M 2017 24 5.3 $8.4 M $44.1 M 2018 25 5.5 $8.8 M $48.5 M Totals 15.8 $132.6 M Marcus Stroman Year WAR $/Win Value Cost surplus 2016 3.5 8 28 0.5 27.5 2017 3.75 8.4 31.5 5 26.5 2018 4 8.8 35.2 9 26.2 2019 4 9.3 37.2 13 24.2 2020 4 9.7 38.8 17 21.8 So I looked at Stroman's projected value over the next 5 years and he came in at a projected surplus of 126 Million. Now there is obviously is value in having the better pitcher for 3 years vs 5 because it should be pretty easy to get a 1 Win starter for less than 10 million but these estimates assume Fernandez and Stroman both stay healthy. I think there is a lot more risk in Fernandez's health than Stroman's which isn't reflected in the calculations but should be considered. Also there is the fact that Stroman will be more likely to sign a contract extension than Fernandez who apparently wants to test FA in 3 years (Boras client). You also have to take into consideration that Stroman is one of the young stars of the franchise and that if you trade him there is going to be a ton of backlash from fans and only add to the PR mess that already is. So if you do make a deal with Stroman included, the Blue Jays probably feel that it needs to be a no brainer.

So Lowe only got 11 million according to Ken R. Seems low?

I agree but I think I'd rather sign Bautista to 4/90 than either of those options if it was available.

Jimmy Nelson would be great. Can't see Milwaukee trading him unless its for a big package though.

Didn't say he was hurt though. My guess is Dodgers will call off the deal. At least try to send a less return.

Lost in all of this is when Chapman went to get his gun he might of hurt his pitching hand

Since when did the Clips get those jerseys?

It sounds like Chapman cheated on her, she found out on his phone then got angry at him and the whole thing escalated.

If my friend shoots a gun off in his home when he is angry I am reevaluating my thoughts on that person's character. I don't want to be hanging around that person if that is how they choose to deal with their anger.

I don't call smashing into your car to grab a gun then shooting it off 8 times in your garage with people around harmless, but that's just me.

This is what I don't get. Most people will throw something against a wall and it ends there. Why do you have to shoot off a gun? By choosing to shoot off a gun in that situation there are probably some issues with Chapman mentally.

All my point was, was that Chapman is an idiot and that you can't be going on a rampage shooting your gun 8 times with people around.