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Wow, good move. Basically paying for Liriano and Aoki in order to get a decent prospect. Might as well use the money for good.

Yeah, Aoki was a dump by the Astros. Just have to hope the minor leaguer is some sort of compensation for the Jays taking Aoki and giving up the better (of the two s*****) players.

Aoki is arb eligible in 2018, but I don't even know if that's a positive. He's been pretty bad this year and is 35. Any word on the minor leaguer?

Aoki is probably for salary reasons. Wonder who the minor leaguer is.

They should. Team isn't strapped for cash. If anything, that's the one advantage they have in trades. Just eat up salary for everyone except Smith and get a better return, even if it's marginal.

Eh, even though Hutch sucks, and Liriano was crap this season, I think they still did pretty well. Added some depth to the farm system for pretty much nothing and took a reasonable gamble with Liriano that worked in '16 and flopped in '17.

Myles Straw. Just looked up an outfield from Sickels top prospect list at random. That's my guess.

Now we're talking. I knew we could get something, even marginal. Hopefully the Astros are pulling another JD Martinez blunder.

Yeah there is no excuse for Smith to still be on this team tomorrow. He has performed well and good RP's have value around this time. I can understand teams not giving up value for Estrada, Liriano, and Jose, but Smith is the perfect trade deadline pick up for someone.

Dexter Fowler is the same age as Lucroy and got over $80mm last winter. I mean, when you have a wrc+ of 66, you can't expect a huge trade market.

Sure, if the Jays were in the race right now, then it would be a good time to be a buyer. It's clearly a bad time to be a seller of struggling vets (if there is ever a good time). I just want there to be some upside to either trading the player or keeping him, and that's even more important if the Jays want to go for another run next season because assets are movable. Say what you want about Harold Ramirez and Reese McGuire, but you can move those guys if need be. Quantity can be an asset for a farm system, as long as it's not at the expense of quality. If the Jays got Sparkman for Liriano, and then Sparkman turns into even a middle reliever, that's an asset. It's worth something, even if very little. But letting Liriano and Estrada go for nothing, while a perfectly likely scenario with how the market has played out this deadline and how bad both players have been, would be pretty disappointing all things considered. It wouldn't be the end of the world if they left for nothing, but I'm in the camp of "something is better than nothing".

Oh no question, aim higher than those guys. I don't even want them back necessarily. I'm just saying if they can't be traded, then one benefit might be trying to work something out with them since their market should be depressed and I don't see Shapiro spending money in the free agent SP market. They might be cheap enough to where they could be reasonable bounce back candidates if other options are unavailable/too expensive.

You want the Jays to go for it next year when they are old as s*** and their system is still realistically a couple of years away from producing talent , I get that. But that makes getting value all the more important. If you let Estrada and Liriano go for nothing, sure, you live with it. They aren't major assets in a trade right now. But you're not going to get FA pitching cheaply, and the one benefit to keeping those guys might be working out a deal for next year. Otherwise what's the f***ing point? Trade one of them for Glenn Sparkman and the other for DJ Davis' bastardized clone in another org and call it a day. At least it's something. I'll take a lottery ticket over nothing. A team with a 40 man roster crunch next year may give up something (even a Refsynder equivalent works for me). Fast forward a year from now and JD is a free agent. I hope you are on my side of the "value" camp with him if he's a trade chip next year.

I'm starting to wonder if bringing both Estrada and Liriano back on cheap one year deals is possible. The Jays literally have nothing in the way of pitching prospects that are ready for 2018. I mean if you can't trade them then maybe bringing them back is a better use of them as assets (assuming the price is ok).

Unfortunately the Jays are probably going to hold on to everyone except Joe Smith until August (Estrada, Liriano, and Bautista). All three should be able to pass through waivers and be traded in a month when maybe their value is higher or other teams have needs come up. But if Smith isn't traded by tomorrow, then yes, that's a s***** trade deadline.

Dunedin leading 16-0 in the 8th inning, they have 20 total hits as a team, yet Bichette is 0-6. Drops his average down to .368. Bust.

Yep, something like that. Either start Woodruff in the 2018 rotation or start him in AAA and use him as depth when someone gets hurt or sucks. He might not be as good as Happ in 2018, but more years of control and the saved money could go into other areas to make up the difference.

They probably won't trade Happ, but if they can get a SP who is near ready or ready and then some bit pieces, they can improve 2018 and the future in one deal.

Smith and Liriano's performances more important than the result. Time to make some deals.

Pitching prospects suck. Load up on position players in the farm system and sign old guys for the rotation. Perfect formula.

Yeah didn't look at Hellickson's numbers this year. He was good last year but trash this year. Maybe Duquette is tanking. Hmmm.

Orioles acquiring Hellickson. Duquette isn't playing around. He wants 4th place in the East and is not going let the Jays get it.

But damn you really see the impact umpires make. That 2-0 pitch to JD was low and called a strike. Turns a 3-0 count into 2-1. Changes the entire complexion of the at bat. Manfred is dense as s*** if he's not planning an exist strategy with human HP umps.

Yeah, that's a disaster waiting to happen. If they play him in the outfield he might have a shot, but no way he is an infielder.