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Giles getting hurt sucks but the 3 days in a row thing still bothers me. He might have gotten hurt regardless but what a stupid f***ing decision by Montoyo. I agree, keep him the rest of the year and revisit a trade in the off season. The return will be poor compared to what it could have been tomorrow but whatever.

Semi related, don’t let Montoyo anywhere near Nate Pearson. I’m serious. Not even five feet.

Having Giles for only one playoff instead of two will destroy his value even if he’s healthy in the winter/next deadline. He will be expensive next year as well, likely too expensive for a rebuilding team like the Jays. He will be moved but the return won’t be very good. Damn.

I know I’m messing around.

Score more runs to make it a non save situation and then tape Montoyo’s mouth shut during the post game interview so he cant answer why Giles wasn’t used. It was a non save situation. Next question.

Yeah keep him and trade him in the winter for less. No other choice. Hiring Montoyo was done so somebody could be here when we lose 100 games, but he potentially killed one of our best assets with carelessness.

Unfortunately if Giles doesn't pitch, Montoyo will be brutally honest when asked why.

Teoscar has been really good offensively since coming up from the minors in June.

Well the one thing that makes the deal slightly less bad is the fact that there is absolutely no way Stro would have signed an extension here, nor would Shatkins have overpaid to keep him. The relationship with the front office was completely beyond repair. So while they didn't "have to" trade him, it was a case of diminishing returns the longer they held on to him. If an extension was actually realistic, then that would have changed things, but trading him now was basically the peak of his value. Doesn't make the return any less underwhelming, but the backstory about their relationship adds a new dimension to this.

Seriously all this position player talent up at once. Adding a capable CF to that group would be awesome, but it's a great starting point.

There are pluses and minuses to the way Atkins acted. JD apparently talked s*** to Beane in Oakland, and Beane wasn't having any of it, so they shipped him out immediately. It only took them three years to bounce back so no long term harm done, but that was a bad trade. On the flip side, Atkins took all of Stro's s***, probably in part to preserve trade value, and then moved him when an opportunity presented itself. If he had traded him the minute that "get out of this office, I'm only talking to Gibby and Walker" meeting happened, then he may have also made a reactionary deal out of anger. Would it have been better, worse, who knows? Regardless, there is a clear lack of respect towards Atkins by players. The players should not feel comfortable publicly bashing a front office. Either hire someone who can communicate to players as an AGM, or grow a backbone. Whether any of this changes my thoughts on the trade return, I'm honestly not sure. I wouldn't be surprised if Stro's value wasn't as high as we thought because of his low K/GB tendencies. On the flip side, I find it hard to believe no one else would top this offer, or the Mets couldn't have added something to the deal. It's entirely possible that Atkins identified SWR as the guy he wanted more than any other offer he was getting, and just did the best he could with that.

I think the disturbing part is it is becoming a trend to hear about an Atkins trade and say "that's it?". Atkins has made trades with smart orgs like the Astros and Yankees, so maybe that's part of it, but this is the f'n Mets. Brody is not even a GM, he is an agent playing a GM. If anything, get Kay and SWR, plus another lotto ticket or two. Getting a package that is industry-wide acknowledged as light, and throwing in cash on top of that just looks really bad. The players might turn out to be good, but that doesn't mean the trade was fair value. It also likely hurts his ability in future trades if other GMs view him as easy to manipulate. Like I said, the Jays draft so well and have been very good in the international market, so a risk averse GM may not be a terrible thing during a rebuild, but can he push us over the top when that time comes?

On the bright side, if the Jays get nothing for Sanchez, it would be justifiable given his value at the moment. I wouldn't trade him either. A Boras client will bust his ass to be good in his walk year. Sanchez sucks, but I'll take a chance on his 2020 season given how low his value is now. If he sucks again, then cut bait, but not like we are dripping with 2020 rotation options. Keep him and pray.

That's also possible. The Jays and Rays are on two different paths so a player closer to the Majors (or already in the Majors) would have more value to the Rays than lottery tickets in low A.

I just don’t see the point of the Rays trading two prospects for Sogard and then flipping him immediately if they were going to get equal or less value for him than what they gave up. Either they are keeping him or they feel like they can move him for something better. Otherwise why else make the deal from their perspective? Another possibility is they were contacted by teams the moment the trade happened and then realized they could move him for value. Who really knows. We will have to wait and see what the Jays get first.

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/07/braves-trade-rumors-blue-jays-joe-biagini.html I wouldn't have considered Biagini much of an asset, but he has the one thing that seems to matter on the trade market, and that is (years of) control. I wonder what the trade return would be.

Man, if the Rays flip Sogard for better value than what they gave up literally a day or two after trading for him, then that would be embarrassing. Not surprising though. The Rays know talent better than almost every other team.

My initial reaction still stands, I think this was a bad trade. The Jays should have gotten more, especially since they did this deal 3 days before they had to. You guys have kept me from jumping off the ledge with the SWR hype, and maybe down the road we will look at this trade differently, but right now? It feels way too light of a return. If this is the best offer they got, then thank goodness this seems like the last season the Jays will go into the deadline with vet trade pieces. This market is prime for buyers. We need to start buying this winter (free agency, trading fringe/expendable prospects for vets, etc).

Yeah you guys are reeling me in with the SWR fapping. I hope we look back a year or two from now and all the haters, like me, look foolish for doubting this. I'm not expecting much of anything from Kay, but if SWR has a Patino kind of prospect rise next year, then the discussion will definitely look different.

I can buy that teams did not view Stro as a top of the rotation type due to his K rate, and may have been offering less because of it, but I can't imagine offers were worse than this. With that said, SWR does look intriguing. He's so far away though.

The Shatkins nut riders will spin this into a positive shortly. I’m actually hoping they do. I need something to cheer me up.

We traded a legit #2-3 starter who wants to be here long term even when the team is dog s*** for a package centered around Anthony Kay. This is reality guys.

Remember the good old days when we thought we'd get a top 100 prospect at the very least? Fun times. Ugh.