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  1. glory
    The Astros took back one of the worst SPs in baseball, a replacement level RP, and actual money in order to turn Fisher into Stevenson. You tell me whether Fisher had other suitors. Seems pretty cut and dry. Usually the team that absorbs s*** is getting something to compensate for absorbing s***. Fisher was in the PCL for the past two years and this year hit worse than Tellez and about equal to what McKinney did in the International League this year at younger ages. I actually think Fisher has some intriguing skills (BB%, speed, exit velocity), but damn, you guys are nuts if you think he's an asset, or was an asset at the time he was acquired. Certifiable nuts. If the Jays traded Alford tomorrow they'd get little to nothing in return. If the Jays traded Fisher tomorrow they'd get little to nothing in return. That's reality folks. Both likely suck. It's ok to admit it. It's remarkable that I've actually wanted Montoyo to give Fisher more playing time and people are saying I'm complaining about a trade that both teams are not going to get much out of it in all likelihood. I'll move on because my head hurts.
  2. glory
    ?????? If the Astros kept Fisher past the trade deadline, he was out of options and on a team that didn't want/need him. He was going to be DFA. You and Brownie are seriously making a stink about me thinking the Jays could have given up less than Stevenson for Fisher had they waited a few months? You guys need hobbies man. It's not that serious. Teoscar was in the same freakin spot two years ago and was traded for two months of the corpse of Francisco Liriano. What the hell are you guys talking about? I didn't say anything about Fisher's upside with the bat (which I've actually defended here), just his trade value at the time he was acquired and/or had they waited a few months. He's not an asset right now, with the Astros or the Jays. That's reality. I'm sorry you can't accept it.
  3. glory
    I liked this post because I'm legit baffled at what point you could have possibly disagreed with, much less felt the need to write "holy f***" in response to it. Spanky liking it put it over the top. Great post. 1. Rebuilding teams will claim Alford/Fisher because those teams usually suck and it's getting a former top prospect for nothing. 2. Fisher was likely to be DFA by the Astros if they kept him past the deadline. 3. Stevenson isn't much of a prospect but still a piece the Jays moved for a guy they might have gotten for free (or much less) in the winter. I'm guessing my backhanded praise of Stevenson is what you are angry about, lord knows you'd swing from his nuts if he was a Jay, but if you consider that hyping him up, I don't know what else to say. If you think points #1 and 2 are wrong, then I can't help you. If you think Fisher was going to be traded by the Astros in the winter for something even resembling a prospect, then again, I can't help you. What do you think Alford would fetch in a trade right now?
  4. glory
    Rebuilding/tanking teams would claim both 100% most likely. It's a free prospect with 5+ years of control left with previous prospect hype. Ironically, the Jays might have been able to get Fisher without giving up Stevenson had they waited until the winter. I know Stevenson may not be much, but still potential asset moved for a piece that was probably going to be DFA'd by the Astros.
  5. glory
    Between Alford and Fisher, I think both would get claimed (there are way too many tanking teams), but if I had to choose one who would get claimed, it would be Alford. He can actually play D and was a top prospect two years ago. A bad team would claim him and park him in CF all season. Fisher is more debatable since he looks like a DH/LF who (so far) can't hit.
  6. glory
    Lol, Teoscar had a better season than the guy they just extended for $50 million. The OF is a mess aside from Gurriel. I still think they'll stick with what they have in 2020 and make changes in 2021, but maybe Charlie knows something already.
  7. glory
    Buchholz taught him a new curveball grip and he’s been using it in September apparently. Small sample size but hopefully it leads to better performance in 2020. As is a 2 war in 150 innings is a pretty decent outcome for him.
  8. glory
    I suspect Shatkins will go with Gurriel/Hernandez/Grichuk in the OF with Fisher at DH and Alford as the 4th OF next season. I think the team clearly needs another OF but don't think we will see one next season. They'll give the current group one more chance next year.
  9. glory
    Not saying the Rays aren't a playoff team, just that they'd be death for MLB in terms of interest/ratings. I remember watching the Brewers games last year, and that crowd was electric. They are a small market team but those fans love the Brewers. They had an elite MVP player in Yelich. That's what I'm talking about. If you tell me I have to watch Austin Meadows as the top star, a s***** stadium with fans who don't really care about the team (they'd go to St. Pete if they were real fans), and something that is going to likely hurt MLB's national TV ratings, then yeah, I'm not going to root for it. The Jays are different. They are not America's darling team, but anyone who watched the 2015-16 playoffs commented on how hostile, rowdy, and passionate the live crowds were. You can sell that type of atmosphere on TV. Also, I fundamentally just hate the Rays. Can't root for them. Maybe them owning the Jays for as long as I can remember is part of the reason, but it's just ingrained in me now.
  10. glory
    The Rays don't have any elite players (unless you consider Meadows one), they play in a s*** hole stadium, they have no fans, and if they advance to the ALDS it would get lower ratings than reruns of 80s sitcoms. Plus, excessive pitching changes/openers, excessive shifting, etc, is boring as hell to watch. I'm not rooting for teams because they have ivy league front offices. Give me big markets, exciting players, etc. The Jays got a ton of media coverage in the US when Bautista hit the home run because we were loaded with star players. Tampa just has nothing to get excited about. If the Jays are not in the playoffs, then I'm rooting for baseball to succeed. Give me the Astros/Yankees in the ALCS and Dodgers/whoever in the NL side. NYY/LAD in the WS would be great for baseball. Only exception might be that I wouldn't mind if Billy Beane won a title, so if the A's happen to get by, then that's cool too.
  11. glory
    I can’t think of anything less desirable for MLB this post season than Tampa making it. MLB is a regional sport now but Tampa doesn’t even give a s*** about that team. I hope Oakland kills them (or the Jays sweep them this weekend and CLE gets in).
  12. glory
    Wow feels like Felix has been around forever and he's only 33. Glad to see him getting a good close in Seattle.
  13. glory
    That is surprisingly true. 55 of his 72 innings coming into this game have been against NYY, BOS, TAM, ATL, and LAD. At least we know he can dominate s***** teams.
  14. glory
    If it's two teams in a similar spot, and Cole is not anti-Canada, then maybe it wouldn't need to be as big of a difference. But if he's getting record breaking 7 year offers from LA, NY, Houston, etc, then the Jays can't simply offer a little bit more. They'd have to go above and beyond. I remember reading that the Yankees offer to Machado was something like $220m. The Padres had to give him $300m. The Jays can definitely sign Cole but they'd have to give a crazy offer. I'll concede that we don't know how Shapiro would act in a big(ger) market situation, so maybe he would spend on an elite FA if he had the resources (which he didn't in Cleveland), but I'm not sure he'd want to come close to the territory that Cole will be in.
  15. glory
    Sure but I’m sure the second highest offer for Machado was significantly less than what he signed for. Same with Harper. Cole is not going to take less money to sign with a good team or a team in the US, but I think the gap between the Jays and the 2nd best offer he gets would have to be pretty significant.
  16. glory
    It’s remarkable how quickly they turned things around too. They traded JD prior to 2015 in a horrible lopsided deal for them, but within 3 years became a 95+ win team again in consecutive seasons. They are literally getting no contribution from anyone in the JD deal either. Maybe Beane didn’t lose his mind four years ago after all.
  17. glory
    Yeah, it’s not a question of whether the Jays can afford a $35M AAV player, they definitely can. It’s whether they’d be willing to get into a bidding war that will likely lead to the biggest contract ever given to a pitcher in MLB history. That doesn’t seem like Shatkins at all. That’s not even factoring whether Cole would even want to come here, although I’m sure he has a price.
  18. glory
    That's all likely true, but the gap between the Yankees and the next highest bidder may not have to be as wide as the Jays and the next highest. The one advantage with Cole is that he's a Boras guy, and Boras guys would sign in Siberia as long as they got the most money from them, but I would think winning situation, location, etc, plays a significant role for everyone to some degree.
  19. glory
    That might be what they are looking for. But I'm not sure that would even be enough. Forget money, taxes, location, etc. The Jays are one of the worst teams in baseball this year. They'll have to not only offer the most but likely blow everyone else out of the water. They signed Burnett largely because they tacked on a 5th year if I recall, and no one else was doing so. Same with BJ Ryan. Same with Martin. They guaranteed a 2nd year (with a vesting option) to get Frank Thomas. They can sign FA's, but they'll have to go where no one else is willing to go. Harper got 13/330 largely because Stanton got 13/325. Boras wants to beat previous records. What that means for his asking price for Cole is anyone's guess.
  20. glory
    He's a Boras guy right? So he'll want more than Price (7/217) on a seven year deal, or more AAV than Greinke (6/206, $34m aav) on a six year deal. That's usually how Boras operates, wanting to beat the previous high. Anyone who thinks Shatkins will go anywhere near there are in for a disappointment.
  21. glory
    Only wish Dombrowski gave him that deal in Boston.
  22. glory
    I mean, Cashman did specifically call him out by name. I thought Stro's reply was fine. It's not like Cashman made a subtle jab. Nothing wrong with a clap back.
  23. glory
    Damn. I hope Stroman didn't read that. He'd go nuts. I'm almost afraid to think what Cashman was offering for someone he didn't value that much.
  24. glory
    I actually think Fisher has some upside with the bat (especially if he improves his launch angle). With that said, you guys are fooling yourself if you don't see a bat first profile in him. He does have speed, so he won't be Kendrys on the base paths (hopefully), but again, he's going to be a player whose bat determines what he's doing five years from now. That's where the upside is. Not the glove. The only reason Alford is even talked about at this point is he's (allegedly) a capable defensive CF. If Fisher could do that, then this wouldn't be a discussion. I'll agree with the main point mentioned here, and that is our OF sucks. Sign/trade for a real CF this winter and this discussion changes quickly.
  25. glory
    It's a pick your poison scenario. Either you go with the two players who can actually play CF but won't hit much (Alford/Davis) or go with the players who haven't proven they can hit yet but hitting is practically all the value they will provide (Fisher, Teoscar, McKinney). None of them sound all that appealing. Fisher and Alford are out of options. Both can make the 2020 team with the extra roster spot. McKinney and Davis have options left. I'm interested to see how married they are to Hernandez. He's hit the best out of all of them but he's been pretty lukewarm as a hitter overall and he's striking out a ton.
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