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I wonder if the Jays would have the balls to have Varsho as the 4th OF for the rest of the season, assuming they picked up a LF in a trade. This was the big move of the off season so it would be admitting defeat in some cases, but it would only be temporary as he's certainly the starting CF next season and beyond. He's just not helping the 2023 team, and that's kinda important.
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The Jays would rather take a bullet to the chest than start Bowden Francis, and there’s no one else in the minors that they’d spot start in all likelihood. They’d rather lose games with Manoah than try to win with someone else, and I’m not sure why. It’s not like the stuff is there but the results aren’t. He looks like s*** and the numbers back it up. If they miss the playoffs by a game (again) then they can just blame themselves at that point. Manoah is definitely starting Sunday. They are waiting for another Astros type start where he gets destroyed before they even think about a move.
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The 2023 Reds might be the 2022 Orioles. Position player core looking good with more on the way (Marte). Both them and the Pirates could take a leap next season.
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This game has given us a good glimpse of the team's needs. Manoah shouldn't start another game the rest of the season, so another SP is probably a good idea (Stroman or otherwise). The team needed to go to the bench to get a RHB to face a lefty reliever, and the big bat they had was Santiago f'n Espinal. A RHB that can mash lefties is badly required.
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The Jays missed the playoffs by a game in 2021 and still don't realize that punting games mid season (essentially what they are doing with Manoah starting) could come back to bite them later. I have no doubt he starts again Sunday.
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I like how Schneider will pull a dominating starter after 7 IP and 80 pitches but will let Manoah make this a blowout before he takes him out. He better not face the lineup a 3rd time.
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The Jays can’t possibly count on Manoah down the stretch. Command still stinks even though he should have K’d Soto before the HR.
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Manoah sucking the life out of a big crowd has become a very common occurrence.
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Ump f***ed Manoah there. Had to know Soto was going to take advantage.
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Arte Moreno is going to make sure they keep Ohtani and lose him for nothing at the end of the season.
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Yeah as mentioned, barring injury, Stroman is definitely opting out, which is probably another reason the Jays wouldn't acquire him even if they didn't have bad blood from the past. Whichever team trades for him has to be OK with him either opting out or picking up his option, and as much as Atkins enjoys giving $20m AAV's to starters, I'm not sure he'd want to risk something like that for 2024 since the only way Stroman opts in is if he gets hurt. Stro played free agency perfectly a couple of years ago. Signed for low years/higher AAV, and now can opt out and get the security in his final big contract coming off one of his best seasons. A pitcher taking that risk in his 30's is ballsy, but so far it looks like he made the right decision.
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Yeah I don’t think I’ve ever worried about the Jays under this regime signing an early round draft pick. Now if AA was still GM, then that’s a different story. Arjun at under slot is a bit surprising. But he still got his money and the Jays have more $ to work with so good on all accounts.
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General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)
glory replied to Krylian's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Stroman in a playoff game > Bassitt, Manoah, Kikuchi, and Ryu coming off TJS. I very much doubt it happens, though. -
Curious to see how the Jays view him. He seems like a probable trade piece as he’s close to big leagues, putting up good numbers at a reasonable age, and might not have a clear shot at playing time on a team that has a shrinking competitive window (at least with the current core). Atkins needs to start incorporating more cheap young talent on the field that can punch significantly above their financial weight so guys like Schneider replacing the Biggio’s on the roster would make a lot of sense but all comes down to how the FO views him.
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Atkins playing 4D chess making everything think he traded Frasso for White when he was really trading for De Jesus.
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Guillermo Martinez would have Cruz lowering his K rate but hitting everything on the ground within a week.
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Jordan Walker grades out as a horrendous OF. They really need to either trade Arenado and move Walker back to 3B, or trade Walker. Not sure they do either of those things, though. I mean if the Jays can get Walker somehow then go for it, but otherwise I’d avoid any more big contracts to guys in their 30’s. Promote Orelvis to AAA and hope he’s ready for 2024.
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Congrats to Vlad. Hopefully it jump starts his bat in the 2nd half.
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I'm not sure whether to give the FO credit for trading Martin, Groshans, and Hoglund before they completely bottomed out, or give the FO s*** for drafting them in the first place (along with Zoinks and Warmoth) with 1st round picks. Other than Manoah that's kind of a steaming pile of crap for 1st round picks.
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General Blue Jays Discussion Thread (2023)
glory replied to Krylian's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Trading KK to a contender, moving Varsho to CF, and acquiring a LF is the best option, IMO. If you want to maximize 2023 wins then keeping KK and replacing Varsho probably makes more sense but that’s not happening due to Varsho having more years of control and more upside overall. I think 2024 Varsho as a full time CF will be better, but that doesn’t help in 2023. I can’t see Atkins trading KK, though. Most likely they will trade for a RHB OF who can hit lefties well and see if they can make that work. Another thing that needs to be done at this point is Jansen needs to start more than Kirk. Maybe Kirk gets to live off his first half in 2022 a bit longer but a singles hitting fatty who is slower than the people posting on this forum is not an asset offensively. Let him backup Jansen more often. -
Anderson's GB rate appears to have skyrocketed this season as well, combined with a complete loss of power, so no doubt Atkins and Guillermo licking their chops to acquire him. Although I am curious to see if the White Sox pick up his option. It's not that expensive considering what type of player he was pre-2023 and there's a history between the player and org, but Reinsdorf is cheap as hell, so who knows.
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That noise you heard was Guillermo Martinez first pumping and loudly yelling "let's go!" as the Jays scored a run by putting the ball on the ground. Just how it was drawn up. Seriously though, this offense is boring as s***.
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Varsho's wRC+ down to 79 after this game. He's been s***. No way to sugar coat it. The fact that he's not even compensating for that as a CF, and instead having to be played in LF, makes it even worse.
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In Kirk's last 524 plate appearances dating back to last season, he is hitting .249/.334/.323 (91 WRC+) with a .074 ISO. People waiting for him to magically turn back into what he was in the first half of 2022 are likely going to be disappointed. He's been a noodle bat singles hitter for over a year now, which isn't a good combination with being dirt slow and out of shape. In other words, yes, extend Danny Jansen. That shouldn't even be a debate within the organization at this point. Just figure out a number that makes sense for both sides and get it done.
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The issue is KK and Varsho shouldn’t be starting in the same OF. As good as KK has been offensively, his bat is going to regress closer to his norm, and Varsho’s greatest asset is his defense in CF as he may not (likely won’t) be able to hit well enough to justify a corner OF spot. Platooning both is certainly an option, but the offense around those two isn’t good enough to compensate for having two 90 wRC+ bats in the OF. Either Varsho has to have a monster 2nd half (which is possible) or they need to trade KK and add a LF who can hit.