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Sure he'd be a good get. I'm not sure the Pirates are looking to move an infielder at this point though.

It'd be hard for any team to top that package. I'm not sure if the LAD would give up all three though.

Cough, Tulo cough. To be honest though Sanchez + Norris and Pompey all line up perfectly with COL's 2-3 development plan. I imagine a potential rotation with all of Gray, Sanchez, Norris, and Butler might be enough to get O'Dowd's jimmies rustled.

I'd love to add an OF'er or Arenado from them as well.

Hah, it would be a very Jays move. You would think they'd move him to the DL if he struggled though. Allows the Jays to play the better option and Headley saves face going int o FA.

I'd be down for keeping those guys if the plan is to add in FA in the off-season. Otherwise ignore the value conscious rental and add the piece or two you need to be a legit contender.

Buehrle has been amazing. He's the glue that has held the rotation together. I do think the more immediate need would be an IF'er but a top of the rotation pitcher is a close second, especially if they are going to the one game play-in.

Ya, I'd agree and you're right that the cost should be similar. I think the most important point here is that the Jays need a solution for 2B and pitching. Adding one without the other wouldn't get them very far ahead IMO.

Tulo would be a dream. I've always wanted him so there is some bias there. That being said COL needs pitching, the Jays have pitching. I wonder if Norris + Sanchez + Barreto would at least get the conversation started. Grab Headley for Pillar + and a decent pitcher like EJax and ya I know it's not going to happen

An upgrade but not very sexy but at least he's an MLB'er! Might be better off going with a platoon instead of Rodriguez though.

If he is hurt they continue to go with Tolleson against lefties and Francisco against righties (with Lawrie moving between 2B and 3B), that's decent depth. I would rather they added a guy like Zobrist, Utley, Beltre, or Tulo but it's just not likely to happen.

Ya, I wouldn't be a fan of that deal either unless he's supposed to be healthy soon. Going under the assumption he'll perform similarly I wouldn't move any helpful starting pitching. I'd be willing to move redundant somewhat replaceable pieces that have some value. I said Drabek + Pillar + Jenkins earlier but at this point in the thread I don't think I'd include Jenkins anymore.

If it wasn't the Rays I'd like to see what AA can get done but I have feeling if he deals with Friedman he gets raped and pillaged. Is Ruben Amaro still allowed to make trades? Ya, it could be bad, it could be manageable. Playing through it is a good sign though.

If Headley puts up those numbers the Jays are in the exact same place they are now. I'd obviously like to know more about his health though. If he's going for surgery or wont be back until September I'd probably pass. If he's going to play I'd take the gamble.

I'd actually argue the opposite of that. They have too many depth IF'er right now and must try to push the depth guys down a rung and off the 40-man. Go find a starting 2B/3B somewhere other than Buffalo.

The Jays are multiple pieces away. Even if they were to land Zobrist (which I would love) they would still need to make a couple smaller moves to contend this season. Get the medicals and find out!

Is this a joke? They're giving 40 man roster spots to Drabek, Korecky, McGuire, Rasmussen, Wagner, Francisco, Goins, Izturis, Thole, Kawasaki, Tolleson, Gillespie, Mastro and Pillar. I'd take Headley performing to his current level over all of those guys fairly easily. Like would any one really care if they never saw Scott Tolleson play again?

Caught a typo and went right back to ad hominem. Great rebuttal Lots of herniated discs have been rested within the time frame of a season. Worst case is surgery which typically take 10-20 weeks to recover from. If he needs surgery then the Jays wont acquire him. If you think he can rest and recover he could be back within a month or so. I have no idea how long it take Headley to recover as I don't have access to his medical records. If the Padres are shopping him there is a good chance he is expected to play at some point in the near future. I'm sure Joe Thesmann would disagree with you. I bet you he was very thankful to have a knowledgeable doctor to diagnose his injuries, prescribe treatment and monitor rehabilitation. This is a prime example of your arrogance skewing your opinions Basic knowledge of sports medicine and biomechanics wont help you diagnose and prognose from your couch. I've had back issues too that doesn't make me a doctor. Great so you could have gone to med school. Seems like it would be more up your alley. I have friends who are magicians and do magic. What does that have to do with me? How about you find where I said he didn't have a herniated disc. It's a pretty vague diagnosis and could vary widely in severity. Great, so we can agree that with rest and time Headley can heal. It is a matter of how long before he can play again which neither of us know. It typically takes months with surgery. If he doesn't need surgery he could be back mid-August right in time for the pennant race. So you just admitted that you don't actually know how long it will take to heal and that further information is needed to make that call. Seems like it would be prudent to gather that info and have a team of medical professionals review it. And he's playing at a decent level, an upgrade over several of the players the Jays have started all year. If he can play at this level he'd help the Jays win mre games this season. I still don't entirely know what you are certain of. Perhaps the second half will help? . Speculation. Gather information and then decide the risk. There is no way to know your numbers are even remotely close without his medical reports. Duh, no one wants AA to trade for Headley if he isn't going to play. They want AA to do his due diligence and go for a decent value buy if he'll be healthy enough to help the team. He hasn't been traded and we have no idea how he is being valued by the Jays. If the Padres's basically give him away it wouldn't be a significant risk at all and have no impact on the current season or long term future of the team. You would send a package that reflects the risk. If he's having back surgery and going to be out until mid-September the Jays wont trade for him and even if they do it wil be for very very little value. A small risk. He can heal with rest and time, it's a matter of how much time and rest is necessary. This is speculation and conjecture without knowledge of his medical reports. I doubt the Jays would be interested in a rental who wont play. They'll get the info and make decisions based on it. So there would be significantly more risk in a long term deal. More money and a longer period compounds the risk. Again, none of this really matters without knowing what goes the other way. If he's going for surgery the cost to the Jays would be cash considerations or a very insignificant prospect. There would be little to no risk in such a move. You do not have enough information to be certain of this. Even if that were to be the case no one would want AA to go after him unless the cost was next to nothing. Where did you find the rule where you can only make on trade a year. I think we would all like to see AA make a much larger splash if he is going the trade route. Headley alone does not get this team to the playoffs even if 100% healthy. This team is multiple pieces away from contention. Headley would be a smaller move to help win more games in the short term. I'd rather go with Headley and risk that he performs like Tolleson than go with Tolleson and risk that he performs like Tolleson. You don't have a clue about what it would cost to land him, or his short term and long term health prognosis. He could be a great buy low option. AA needs to do his due diligence and see if he can improve this team. As I said above they are multiple pieces from contention, Headley alone wont get them to the playoffs but if healthy he can add a win or two to help get them there.

I depends if the other team is willing to eat salary or not. If you're giving up the prospects for Beltre you are better off upgrading up the middle and keeping Lawrie at 3rd. Zobrist, Utley, and Tulo are all reportedly available. I'd rather land one of them but Beltre would be amazing. In particular I wonder if the Phillies would be willing to eat the 2014 salaries for Utley + Lee/Hamels and what kind of package they'd be asking for in return. I'd imagine they'd want quite a bit; maybe Sanchez/Stroman + Norris/Hutch + Pompey and some A ball guys like Nay and Tirado would be enough. I think probably depends whether the Phillies are look for a huge quality package or fewer players centred around a truly elite prospect.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html Depute the facts. No one gives a rats ass about who tied whose shoes. A herniated disc is not a career threatening injury. Your medical prognosis is irrelevant as you have no medical records or education/experience in the field. Chase Headley as it stands now is currently an upgrade for the Jays. (The Jays should gather the necessary info and consult their medical staff) Headley as a rental is less risky than the same player on a long term deal.

Davis is the kind of toolsy player that you don't give up on at 21yo. Even if he never figures it out completely he has a shot at a decent MLB career. If they need an OF'er give them someone like Pillar, at the very least you know what you're giving up. Mitch Nay is a couple notches up the prospect ladder from Davis. Decent shot at being an average MLB 3B and has the tools to be much more than that. No need to give up on him at this point. FWIW IMO the Jays shouldn't move anyone in A ball for Headley. Keep your high ceiling guys and move the pieces in the upper minors that are redundant and locking some of your younger guys.

He's an upgrade over Tolleson, Goins, Kawasaki, Izturis, Getz and Fracisco who have combined for 530 ABs this season. They'd be acquiring Headley to bump these AAA scrubs off the MLB roster to AAA where they belong. The Jays biggest problem over the last two seasons has been giving too many innings to sub-replacement level players. If there is a legit MLB'er that can help this team right now, ie Headley, then AA must inquire at the very least. Additionally all this rental = increased risk is BS. Acquiring HEadley on a 2,3, 4 or 5 year deal would be far riskier. Additionally, you have no inside knowledge and no formal medical education. Why any would give a s*** about your prognosis for Headley. Consult the medical team and go from there.

He's averaged 146.5 games played (or 90% of SD's games) over the last 5 seasons and has played in 76 of 88 games (76%) of SD's games this season. He's been pretty healthy over his career. You'd want to check out his back before you made the move but if it looks to improve/hold out over the year pull the trigger.