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Anyway it's time to step back and relax. Big picture. We are defending division championships... 2 games back of a second consecutive division title, and 2 games UP on the kittie cats for at least a wild card. We're set! Holla back if you are out there JSFIP!!!!

Seriously people... CHILL OUT!!! Two f***ing years ago the s*** really hit the fan. After one of the most devestating opening days in team history the fanbase gave up... since then 1. WE WON A f***ING DIVISIONAL TITLE followed by the "BAT FLIP" 2. REYES IS GONE. Now we have Tulo!! 3. Ryan Goins?? He's OK. He helped us win a division title. 4. RA Dickey?? Forget about him. We skip him now. Seriously. It's time to calm the f*** down. I believe in this team. Big picture?? We're set! JSFIP where are you man?? The fans could use you.

Yes 20% is infinitely greatly then zero. Something we all really wanted, a division title has gone from 70% or so to 20% in 9 games. It is a very sudden and drastic event. So let's just all get on the same page 1. The odds have gone from ~70% to 20% 2. The odds are not 0% 3. Deal with it how you must, this is the implosion thread... if you have sad, negative or angry thoughts this may be the place to put them.

It will be interesting to see 2017 No Dickey, some of Bautista/Saunders/EE will be gone Different team - maybe a less frustrating team

I'd hate to think I am worse than Moogy... that guy was insane.

Thank you for considering me... I think because I am on topic, willing to see different views, and generally a nice person I am innelligible for the award. Again - This is the IMPLOSION thread. What on earth do you expect when you open the implosion thread??

If they had made the playoffs any other time in the last 15 years people would of cared again. A couple of off years and the people won't care. The nightmare scenario is that the new regime is blamed for a down cycle caused by AA and end up with a short leash... Hopefully Shapiro gets a decade. Years 2-5 could be pathetic. And he will be viewed (unfairly) as having caused the mess, when in reity he just got a late start in fixing it.

by that definition there is now an 80 % chance a division title implosion will occurr and a 50% chance a complete (no wild card) implosion will occur. the implosion view may soon be the more logical view. It's time the implosion people get respect. If the playoff odds get well below 50, which could occur with another few days of this, the positive view will be the crazy one.

I seriously don't get the animosity. The thread is called "IMPLOSION", it is place for those of us who believe in the implosion to discuss it. I don't like the implosion. None of us like it. This thread is here to vent, analyse and track various aspects of the implosion. If you don't like talk of implosion, don't open the implosion thread. If you want to talk implosion, or even present alternative, more positive viewpoints, that is fine. Just no need for insults.

Most likely yes. When the implosion is completed, on fan appreciation day, to a half empty stadium, tickets being sold for 10 bucks, sucking the life out of the 3 millionth fan. It will be quite the downer and a lot of us will stop posting for a while.

Short version update- 2-7 in September. Red Sox 2 games up. Orioles tied. Tigers and Yankees 2 back with easy schedule. Finishing 4th or behind tigers and/or Yankees is an even higher probability, then it was Wednesday night.

Implosion status report-- Implosion length - The implosion is expected to take a total of 20-25 days. Implosion start date - September 1st 2016. Expected Implosion finish date - Ideally the implosion will finish on Fan Appreciation day, Sunday Sept. 26th against the NY Yankees. At this point we hope the Jays will be 6 games back of first, 4 our of wild card, and have no realistic hope. Imposion update - The implosion is on schedule, The Blue Jays have followed a series loss to the Rays, and a series sweep to the Yankees with a series loss to the Red Sox. Imploder of the day - Aaron Sanchez -- Even a mediocre 5 inning start may have led to victory, but Sanchez completely imploded 5 walks, 6 earned runs, 3 2/3 innings False "moment of hope" Week of Sep 5th - Tulo Grand slam The week in Implosion September 12th - Expect series wins by Rays and Angels False "moment of hope" week of 12th - expect a moment of false hope to occur if the Jays win the second game of the Rays series... hope will be crushed as the Rays win the Wednesday matinee, a turn around special so to say, give a little false hope, but crush it with a day game 16 hours later.

The statement doesn't stand. The 1985 team won a tough pennant race against the yanks, won s franchise record 99... It was all the same players... Stieb, key, Fernandez. Bell, Garfield. They did not lose the pennant race because of lack of experience. These guys are far worse than the 87 team. They will lose because they are old... Basically that's it. Nothing to do with experience. To much experience maybe

Travis and pillar were good minor league players... Other than tellez I'm not sure anyone had as good a record as pillar/Travis did. Travis hit .350 one year... Pillar had s bunch of ,300/.320 years.

Really?? All the key players from 87 were with the 85 team. a) 2016 team - a team that never made the playoffs until they did, and lost a tough ALCS to the scrappy, eventual World Champion Kansas City Royals. 1987 team - a team that never made the playoffs until they did, and lost a tough ALCS to the scrappy, eventual World Champion Kansas City Royals. The 1987 and 2016 team LITERALLY have almost the exact same playoff experiences, almost as close as you could get.

Hitless in 4 games, with 6 walks over those four games. Last night I only saw one at bat. He got nothing, looked like high fastballs (which he took) and low breaking balls (which he seemed to get fooled on). This was the at bat where he grounded back to the pitcher (check swing) Travis caught in run down -- He probably shouldn't of swung at anything that at bat. He's doing a good job of being patient, but might have to take it to the next level, and just let the guys behind him do their jobs.

He's a mod and helped build the forum... so it's (in part) his house. Ownership and property rights are important too. Have to obey the house rules. If they don't want you scalping tickets here, well, that's that. People are free to sell them on sites where it is allowed, or Craigs List?? Does that work if you want to bypass fees?

Henke also blew a Friday night game in Boston last week of the season in 1990... Crazy year... Jays were 6.5 back at about this time, went nuts for a couple of weeks to retake the lead, but couldn't close it out. http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS199009280.shtml

Jonn how old are you?? Not a lot of people likely remember implosion 1987 or the lesser known implosion 1990. Take a look at the last week of those seasons. Positive: As implosions go this is rather humane. Get it done first week of September instead of last... the team will fall 5 games out and in 2036 no one will even know an implosion happened. It will be over quick. Monday morning it is done Spanky (Monday morning) - 4 games back of the division, but only 2 back of the wild card, all is not lost -- KEEP IN MIND LADS -- Os and Sox play each other 7 times in the next 11 days. One of them has to lose.. no?? We just take care of our business and we'll be close to either the wild card or division lead in a week. Then there's those 3 in Boston last weekend. They will mean something. We gain 2 games in the next two weeks... then take care of business in Boston. That's all it takes. I like Spanky. I'm not making fun of him. I hope he posts something like this just to get you guys going....

They wrote (and accidently published) the obituary for Steve Jobs long before he died... so I would like to write one for Bautista era Blue Jays, in case it is needed Sunday afternoon. Bautista era Blue Jays - The Bautista era Toronto Blue Jays tragically perished Sunday, Sept 11th, 2016 after a brief and courageous battle with implosion. The implosion began suddenly in Tampa Bay on September 2nd, and despite the valiant efforts of the coaching staff, front office, and Blue Jays Message Board, the implosion could not be stopped. Red Sox slugger David Ortiz, had nothing but kind words for the Bautista era Blue Jays. "Bautista and also Edwin Encarnacion are class acts, as is Josh Donaldson, they thrilled the fans while they could... it's always sad to see a team implode, the entire Red Sox organization sends their condolences." When asked how he felt about taking a 4 game lead in the A.L. East Ortiz was respectful, "I wish it happened under different circumstances, I hate to pad my numbers against an imploding team." Asked why he thought the Blue Jays imploded, Ortiz was insightful. "To be honest, I don't think they had enough young players. Our front office has done a great job drafting young players, like Mookie Betts, Jackie Bradley, and Bogartz, they bring energy, diversity and anti-fragility to the team. Honestly, the red sox may have imploded if they sent 7 of me out there every night... I can hardly move to be honest." The Blue Jays front office and players had no comment, other than they would like their privacy respected for now. Fans around baseball, including Red Sox and second place Oriole fans are encouraged to leave messages of condolence on Blue Jays Message Board (http://www.bluejaysmessageboard.com).

Division is now 33%... 1/3 ALDS 58% No need to make a thread about the implosion... nothing to see here! For better or worse Implosion week is the most important thing that has happened in the season so far. It isn't trivial. There has been a significant shift in the probabilities. Let people mourn if they want to... Monday morning the impolosion could be complete... some people need to make preparations for the end just in case. R.I.P. Bautista era Blue Jays...

I think if the Jays had a solid young core it would be different... there is a feeling we are going to "Philly" fairly quckly at some point... there might be 1 year before we "Philly". we might "Philly by all star break" of next year or maybe in spring training?? Or maybe it JUST happened. Maybe we phillied on the morning of Friday September 2, 2016. It just happed. The Toronto Blue Jays just Phillied!!!! GODAMMMNIT!!!!! See you in 2022!

Well OK. I am not sure our positive attitudes will do much.. however if we the fans really want to do something. 1. How can we help Devon Travis not make silly errors on semi-routine groundballs? 2. How can we help Kevin Pillar not swing at bad pitches 3. How can we help Justin Smoak not strike out 40% of the time? 4. How can we help Jose Bautista hit the ball like he did when he was 30? 5. How can we help Marcus Stroman not see so many little grounders go up the middle?\ 6. How can we help R.A. Dickey find his 2012 form again? 7. How can we help Brett Cecil not suck this year? 8. How can we help EE reduce his strikouts and go back to a .940 ops instead of just .900?? 9. How can we help Tulo adjust to normal altidude and also swing like he did when he was 28? 10. How can we help Josh Thole not be in the lineup? There are a lot more. However if we the fans can somehow help with those 10 it will make a big difference?? There is no proof positive thinking works any better than reverse psychology... or is there?? Let us know. I want to help as much as possible.

Each team will want it... I assume. Chance will be a huge factor. Look at last night if the wind was blowing out to left it is a completely different game. Talent and "wanting it" have much more of an influence over 160 games. If Kevin Pillar "wants it" more than Mookie Betts... Kevin Pillar will watch video over and over again for many months Kevin Pillar will put extra time in the cage over many months Kevin Pillar will say "I will, I will not swing at bad pitches" over and over again All this "may" make Kevin Pillar into a .280 hitter Mookie bets may "not" want it, and just spend his extra time in the clubhouse on playstation. All this "may" make Mookie Betts into a .300 hitter (instead of .320) These difference will show up over a season.... over 20 games it's a fair bit of chance.