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You think the current iteration, one year older, sans Bautista and EE are a playoff team?? Obviously it depends on how Shapiro fills out the roster. I'm not opposed to seeing if he can build something around Donaldson, Tulo, Stroman, Sanchez.

Good riddance to all of it. Interesting to see if they try for a mini run around Donaldson last year, or just f*** the whole thing and go Cubs style... I honestly would not be opposed to the latter option.

So I should chill out... I've allready gotten more meaningful games than I expected!

It would be nice to win tonight for a lot of reasons... at this point the odds start going up and down like crazy with every win/loss It would be nice to have a wild card game at home and be able to prepare for it for a couple of days.

The problem is a 4 run lead is a 98% win expectancy. Some argue the closer shouldn't even be used with a 3 run lead (instead use him in tie games etc.) So if it is OK for Gibbons to use Osuna with 98% win expectancy, it should be OK for the negative nancies to panic with a 90% chance of playoffs. JESUS CHRIST ON A CAROUSAL IT IS OVER!!!! OVER!! DONE rational voice - they still have a 90% chance of playing in the wild card. JESUS CHRIST A COUPLE OF GUArANTEED LOSSES AND THAT 90% CHANCE IS GONE BY TOMORROW NIGHT!!! f*** EVERYONE! Saying that we have to acknowledge the likelihood of yo-yo RPs causing trouble is like saying we have to acknowldege the negative nancies because of the likelihood of a couple of losses today and tomorrow. Couple of losses today and tomorrow and that 90% chance is way down!!! PANIC!!!!!

For those who care Today through Saturday - potential to prevent Sunday being a ball crunching nut crush Sunday - WARNING - Potential 2016 Blue Jays goodbye Monday - WARNING - Potential 2016 Blue Jays goodbye Tuesday - WARNING - Still most likely date for Potential 2016 Blue Jays goodbye , also the coin could flip the right way If we are still playing Thursday that is a good thing...

I'd have no trouble with it... In my mind the big blow was the first 10 days of September, where odds of one playoff series went from 80, to 40 Odds of a playoff series are still at about 40. One way or another there will be ALDS next Thursday, or a nut-crunch Sunday or Tuesday...

Honestly it is not the final dagger that crushes me, it is the intermediate step where something bad happens (that shouldn't of) that leads to the final dagger. For example the Price, pop-up game 2 in ALCS crushed me far more than the final loss in game 6. I honestly don't see my self going nuts when the season ends, no matter how it happens. I was saddest about losing the division during the s***-show Yankees/Red Sox week where we went 1-5, when we actually fell 5 behind, big deal, it was the earlier s*** show that caused it. If we somehow lose both wild cards, I'll be angriest at whatever s***-show losses lead to us having to play seriously on Sunday, not the Sunday outcome. If we get to the wild card game, and lose, I won't be crushed... it's just a coin flip. If we get passed the wild card game anything after that is a bonus.

I am honestly not sure how to interpret these numbers. But fangraphs has vFA of 95.2, and vFT of 94.2?? I assume they are measures of different types of fastballs

For Osuna's career he has a 5.04 ERA, lower strikout rate, higher whip for September/October He is significantly worse this month... SSS applies, his June is also bad (not as bad)...

Do you know that for sure?? There seemed to be a lot of 94s in the last few games he's been in. I recall him sitting at 96 previously... could be wrong on this. I don't have the stats in front of me.

Jays are 11-14 in September. If they were 14-11 they'd be two back, if they managed one of those extra wins against Boston, 1 back. The jays are slugging .368 in September... the offense has been awful, the bullpen awful Starters have been dynamite... it has been, thus far, an exceedingly frustrating September... Implosion thread is the place to talk about that... Just because I'm down on the Jays doesn't mean I jumped ship... I can admire and dislike the Red Sox at the same time.

The amount of flak I get is unbelievable. I said a) Jays have been awful in September, and continue to be awful, especially the bullpen and offense Because of their good play May through August, they would have to be "nut crunchingly" awful to completely blow it. I did not say "Jays will lose the last four guarenteed".. I said they will have to continue to play like s*** the last four games and have some bad luck to blow it

I'm not sure the three week lump is over... it's not just losing it's how you lose... If I had said the morning of September 1st Governator - Hypothetically if the Jays lose 8 games to the red sox in September, lose 3 or 4 games to all the wild card teams, are clinging onto a wild card last weekend of season is that implosion?? Add in the last week of the season they blow all three save opportunities (albeit rescuing one of the games), lose their set up man in a fight, Travis reactivates his shoulder injury in same fight... is that implosion?? Eziquiel Carrera is the lead off man, Fatty Navarro the key pinch hitter, Grilli and Osuna are running on fumes and giving up bombs, is that implosion?? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The argument for implosion is the extremely s*****, ball crunching play of the Jays, and the state of the bullpen and lead off position heading into the last weekend of still key games ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The argument against implosion is that the Jays played well from May to August and got a bit of a lead in the WC race, so will need a particularly s***** and nut-crunching final 4 days to complete implosion

Osuna will also not be available tonight... He ended pitching in four of 5 days, results and (maybe) velocity have been down lately. He may have pitched a bit better if he was fresher, we don't know.

What about Danny Barnes?? What about Ryan Tepara?? Scott Feldman?? Shouldn't one of these guys be a reasonable choice to pitch in a 4 run game?? I guess Gibbons explanation is that he'd warm up Osuna anyway...

You could trade him at the deadline next year as well. I guess by "little reboot", you mean he's just going to replace EE, Bautista and Saunders with options that he sees as better value, try to find some relievers, fire Gibbons (barring a deep playoff run) and go with it??

Incredibly frustrating... the bullpen is tired as hell because of Gibbons using his best relievers when he doesn't need too.

If things go really bad, they ended last night, when Gibbons put in Osuna with a four run lead.

The issue at times like these isn't just the loss... it's the other factors, the depleted bullpen, and the frustration with Gibbons, and the frustration with two players getting injured in a fight. Are people putting to much emphasis on the depleted bullpen?? Maybe. It is hard to figure out how the Jays win a non-blowout game tomorrow. I guess it involves Stroman going deep and Biaginni. Anyway just keep in mind, mentally people have the Jays down their best 3 relievers tomorrow, Benoit obviously won't pitch, Osuna and Grilli are running on fumes and shouln't pitch, if they do who knows what they'll have.

ARe you an idiot?? There is no guarentee of a wild card. Detroit will be happy to face the Orioles I guess.

After all these years I'm still curious what or who the hell is the dogg. The traditional dogg was just a quirky weird guy making irrelevant posts. Then there was this other array of personalities that were a little smarter and much meaner, like realaccountant... If it is two guys, different personalities, then OK. those are real people, and I guess for better or worse those are their real personalities. If it is one guy, a master troll, working at this 10 years with an array of made up personalities, that is a different case.

Dogg is saying that we should concede to Baltimore tomorrow... so yeah that is idiotic... especially since if they win tonight and lose tomorrow the negative nancies like myself might get going again, and it would be unfair to expose the reasonable people to that again. If Dogg is realaccountant why is there also a 'puphood' having conversations with realaccountant?? Are the mods just letting this happen?? Or is puphood someone else? I really don't care that much.. but it seems that the number one thing they should crack down, is multiple accounts, before giving long time 1-accoutn posters suspensions over petty arguments.

I think it depends if home field for wild card is guaranteed. If he puts in the scrubs and we end up playing on the road he leaves himself open for criticism. Once the games really have no implication what soever, Smoak and Pompey and Dickey and Tepara should have at it.

This is where it is clear to me, that the constant negativity is (in all seriousness) an evolutionary advantage in some aspects of real life. If you anticipate everything negative that could happen, you take action to prevent it. Of course in baseball, where there is nothing I can do to change things the negativity is kind of useless...However I hope Gibbons is (well I know Gibbons will be actually) thinking of every negative disastrous thing that could happen, even if we have a 3 game lead with 4 to go. Gibby would pitch Osuna with a 5 run lead and the bottom of the order coming up, he goes to price with a 7-0 lead... Gibby is obviously as neurotic and negative as anybody, thinking of all the horrible scenarios that could come up, so NO he is not going to pitch Dickey unless a wild card is clinched. If we win tonight that's great. I would never dream of dropping the third game. It would be beyond stupid. Even if we didn't get swept by Boston, having to fight that series hard, having to use Osuna a couple of times and maybe even Sanchez would not be good going into a wild card game.