Dick_Pole

I know that leaffie is an older lady who is polite and well respected on this board, but sorry, this is just a horrible, horrible post. First, those "know nothing guys", whoever they are, would they have known enough to not cave into Bautista's demands and given him a 9-digit contract? If not, then that would already more than offset any perceived malfeasance on Shapiro's part. Second, it takes two to tango on a trade. None of us knew if Donaldson and Happ were shopped with any serious intent over the past two years. If the return was s*** we would have been on their case for that. This is not the Jimcanuck world of name any player on the MLB roster and dump him for sweet prospects everyone will love because the team doesn't have a 99% chance of making the playoffs going into the year. The Jays were projected for 85ish wins and 20%+ chance of making the playoffs going into 2018. That's the type of odds that you want to at least hold onto when you're coming off hot attendance, good TV numbers and increased ticket prices. They've done nothing wrong here imo. Regarding Donaldson, his struggles can only be to the team's advantage in a lost season. The Machado trade shows there is a very "meh" demand for even top-end position rental players. There was serious discussion of a long term Donaldson contract on this board well in excess of $100M. Now it's possible he could be had for a QO or maybe an Encarnacion-like deal. In a wasted season where even a 5-WAR Donaldson performance likely doesn't net a whiff of the playoffs, this is a WIN for the team. Regarding Happ, what the hell are you so upset about? His value is still high. And him having one or two more starts here isn't going to make a whiff of a difference. Happ's value is much more tied to factors outside of Toronto's control, like the demand for other team's pitchers and who gets traded. Happ is very unlikely to be anyone's #1 target right now. Let the market develop! Regarding EE, his 2ish/year WAR pace so far 1.5 years into the contract doesn't exactly scream "steal of the year". That means this is mostly about lamenting Morales, and yeah this board has already spilled enough milk over that. Let's move on! A $33M mistake on Morales is a drop in a bucket compared to a $330M mistake that could have happened combined on EE and Bautista with someone who had less of a backbone. Finally Guerrero. Yes, he was AA's international pick. Yes he came with talent, hype and pedigree. But he just as easily could have turned into the next Travis Snider. Under Shapiro's watch he has become the #1 prospect in MLB. Some credit has to be given for player development under his watch.

Lesson #1 of capitalism: Never tip your hand to the other guys on a public message board where they can read it. Also, get on that request I sent you, you lazy bum.

I think people need to greatly temper their expectations. This will be an extreme buyer's market. And there is very little chance the Jays would get in front of other sellers when they currently have a 20-25% chance of making the playoffs and nine other teams are already under 1%. Yup, salary relief might be the best trade chip the team has, assuming they are sellers.

When DeRozan was moving the ball and the Raptors were destroying middling teams by double-digit scores and everyone was going horny over his play, I think it was you who had a more grounded opinion? Some others too. The point being though is that he has demonstrated an ability to play that type of game but reverts back to his old ways. Perhaps a coach who is a little less of a gentleman gets more out of him when it counts. At this point as Raptor fans we can only hope this is what happens.

The theory I keep hearing is that the Raptors are standing pat and firing the coach is the one move they can make. Looks like no one else will say anything nice so I will. Dwane Casey - Basically the Flip Saunders of this franchise, a gentleman and a decent coach. But decent wasn't good enough to get this team beyond a certain point. This move was needed if this team has any chance of progressing. Good luck Dwane.

Why do I get reprimanded for bringing up politics in the main forum, but this douche gets a free pass for bringing up this hypothetical jimbait? I'm very triggered right now. I guess that makes me either an SJW or incel. I don't know what yet. I guess it depends on my outlet for my rage. Either setting up a university safe space and joining antifa or going for a joyride on a sidewalk. I'm also very triggered that I don't know what I am right now.

I think whoever scores the first six goals tonight will probably win the game.

I think this thread proves that Godwin's Law for BJMB is no matter the topic it will lead to the conclusion that Jim is stupid and/or a hypocrite. I seriously did not see this coming in the three pages that have been added to this thread since I last checked in and yet there it is.

So, assuming this is all true...you don't go from zero to doing this. Someone in the organization dropped the ball in dealing with this guy. Blame lies all on him though for what he did.

I'll take it. If I win you shut the hell up. If I lose you get punched in the face by someone else (it's a losing outcome for me because I don't get to do the punching) Deal?

Not good. None of those details provided in that article imply anything other than a prolonged and intentional attack. Significant injuries and the building concierge was the one who called it in, not some neighbour who might have overreacted to hearing a shouting match or something.

Ok so...I've been dating women for around two decades now. Never have I felt the need to raise my hand to one nor did I have to defend myself from "crazy" in a physical fashion. Not even close. I have a dozen or so male friends who I'm close enough with to discuss chicks n stuff, and no one has ever brought this up either. Where the hell do you people find these crazy women? Or do you just make this s*** up to make it sound like the Average Joe has got such a hard life? Is kids the key to this? Whiny brats don't shut the hell up and get on the parents nerves so they take it out on each other?

If they really wanted to help a cause they could give that apparel away to poor people as well as the 15,000 shirts....f***ing dickass virtue signalling corporations. (I have no idea if they are actually going to do this or not, but I'll rant anyways)

As opposed to your helpful contribution to this thread: Thanks for providing us your moral code. We all really needed to hear your thoughts on domestic abuse as if you are in the minority in the opinion that beating a partner is bad.

Everybody in this thread who has said hindsight stuff like "The Jays should have traded Osuna last off-season when his value was high" need to be banned for a week. f***ing lame hindsight armchair QBs

Clearly racial profiling. If Osuna was a white guy who spoke perfect English with no accent the police would give him a playful pat on the bum and let him be on his way.

Have you not read what I posted more recently? I regretted not taking Cleveland @ +170 underdogs for the series and something like +700 live bet when they were down 14 points after the first quarter in the first game. s***, I hate being a homer....when you're a homer you know your team best, but I can never bring myself to betting against my own team.

Yup. Casey has got to go. I have been more patient with him than most, but this is the third year where the team has stalled. Time to cut the cord and move on. If DeRozan stays, he stays. But a new coach should have a reduced role for him and let someone else stand up. I wasn't worried about LeBron scoring 50 every night because with that putrid defense I was expecting the Raptors to put up 120+. But outside of the first quarter of the first game this team was terrible. No excuses. This team knows how to score against mediocre defenses and just didn't perform when it counted.

The Titanic might not change, but the size of the iceberg might. If LeBron goes to the Lakers the Raptors should be in a good spot. The East is a joke outside of Boston and Philadelphia and I'm not sold on the 76ers either. If LeBron stays East....well he does get a year older but him on the 76ers and that team becomes stacked. Also I don't think anyone has a problem with Lowry playing out his contract here.

There are 20 teams in the NBA which are in a worse spot than the Raptors right now. Though admittedly the Raptors were in a better spot two years ago than they are now with all that cap room and multiple first round picks. Ujiri could have done better.

Why the hell are you arguing so hard for the anti-call-him-up group anyways? Aren't you like 75 years old? Good chance you don't live to see 2025 anyways so you should be pulling for him to be up ASAP.

Yeah but the present value on that $50M in 2024-25 might be worth less than that slight improvement in DH in 2018 if the Jays have a reasonable chance to compete. Including increased ticket sales and potentially some roster flexibility like being able to trade or not sign JD with less of a fan/ownership backlash because of the new kid in town. Plus all the "soft" benefits of an improved brand by treating a player according to merit instead of gaming the system. I happen to think there is something of value to that, even though others disagree with me.

Or the team could just avoid all this nonsense and call him up NOW. If he mashes, he stays, and he has the same amount of control as with this very obvious manipulation, except pushed a year ahead. If he sucks, he gets sent back down for a year of perfectly excusable AAA seasoning.

To me it should be a very simple decision point. Bring him up. If he rakes, he stays and helps the Jays compete. If he sucks, or contributes marginally, or there is evidence that he needs some fine tuning in AAA, send him down and then management can say they gave him a legitimate shot and manipulate service time thereafter if that's the end goal. There is really a no-lose situation to bringing him up now. A trial month of May versus September makes no difference with the exception that the Jays have a chance to compete now.

Have you read Fangraphs articles recently? Baseball and soy milk are one in the same now and it must be lamented everywhere.