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Yeah, I’ve been consistent about wanting more offense - that’s not some hidden agenda. I'm not the only poster. Didn’t realize discussing offense made me public enemy no. 1, but here we are. It’s just how I evaluate the roster and the risk profile, especially in this division. Consistency isn’t the same as bad faith. And the Moncada point wasn’t “proof” of anything. It was just an example that the front office is at least considering adding another bat, which lines up with the idea that the offense could still use insulation. You can disagree with that assessment, but that doesn’t make it some setup for an “I told you so.” If the offense ends up being top-tier, awesome. That’s the best possible outcome. The discussion is about process and probabilities, not rooting for failure.

How so? I wouldn't bet the under for Varsho.

I actually think Varsho could go over 100 wRC+ in 2026 again. I wouldn't take the under lol.

Bleday is with the Reds now lol. I doubt Urias is their starting 3B heading into 2026. He's still a free agent anyways.

Where did I say I think Varsho is going to be under 100 wRC+? Haha.

What is your problem dude? We can disagree without it turning personal. That’s honestly not the intent at all. I’m not rooting for the offense to fail, and I’m definitely not trying to set up an “I told you so.” I want this team to mash and prove all of this unnecessary. The concern comes from risk assessment, not negativity. Talking about downside, regression, or thin margins isn’t the same as hoping for it and it doesn’t mean I’m itching to rip Atkins. If the offense is top-5, that’s a massive win for everyone. Offseason discussion is always going to include differing levels of optimism vs. caution. That’s kind of the point of the board. Disagreeing on roster construction doesn’t mean bad faith or ulterior motives. It just means we’re weighing the same information differently. Deep breaths, man. It’s just offseason roster talk.

You think he would get $100M+ as a free agent?

He really likes it there in Cleveland.

With the loss of Bo, some regression expected from other players like Springer & others, with Okamoto being an unknown and potentially having two dead spots in the lineup with Gimenez and Clement, trying to add more runs doesn't hurt.

I think the Moncada interest actually makes sense when you view it through a “raising the floor” lens rather than positional fit. Even with the injuries, a 117 wRC+ with an 11% walk rate is real offensive value, and that’s something this lineup could use more of, especially to avoid dead zones. It was never really about Moncada replacing someone at third base. It was about adding another competent, above-average bat who lengthens the lineup and insulates the roster against regression or missed time elsewhere. That kind of player stabilizes things over 162 games. The Okamoto signing obviously closed that door, but the fact the Jays were still monitoring Moncada suggests they’re not done thinking about offense. It reinforces the idea that they’re looking to raise the lineup’s floor - not just chase stars - and that another bat could still be in play if the right opportunity comes along. But damn, I was getting tarred and feathered for suggesting this over the last week. Seems like Atkins and the front office have been thinking the same thing.

Have you ever heard of using a toilet?

That’s fair, and I’m willing to give him some benefit of the doubt given the injuries. He did look more like himself early and late when he was healthier. An 85–95 wRC+ paired with elite defense at short and hitting ninth is absolutely playable, and 3 fWAR in that role is solid value. The concern is more about lineup construction - the Jays can’t really afford to carry too many low wRC+ bats at once, especially with Gimenez also in the mix. If one of them slips below that range, the margin gets tight pretty quickly.

It really depends on the type of season Varsho has. If he’s on and off of the IL and/or hits around .230–.240 with 20–25 home runs and a 2-3 WAR season, I don’t think his market will be as strong as you’re suggesting. As Brownie mentioned above, Harrison Bader is still available, which foreshadows what Varsho's market could be like next offseason. Unless Varsho goes out and puts together a true career year offensively and a season in the 4–5 WAR range, I don’t see the market for him being especially aggressive. That said, I’d still be open to extending him if the deal looked similar to Kirk’s extension.

Agree 100% Carlos!

I agree as well, though I’m not sure the Jays can afford to have both Clement and Gimenez as potential dead spots in the lineup. Hopefully Okamoto can help fill some of the void left by Bo’s departure, Santander rebounds, and Springer plays closer to his 2025 level. That would definitely help.

Flip flopping is what you do best!

L54 laying down common sense these last two pages! 👏

I’d argue his versatility is valuable though. It’s not about filling holes - it’s about flexibility, matchup advantages, rest days, and protecting against injuries over 162 games. Especially when you’re planning on having both Clement and Gimenez in the batting order, Varsho who’s missed time with injuries in recent years, Barger in his second year, an aging Springer, and an unknown in Okamoto.

Appreciate the insight, Mr. Know-It-All.

I hope I don't get tarred and feathered for this... On paper, the Blue Jays heading into 2026 are clearly a better team than they were last season. The roster looks deeper and better constructed overall, especially when you factor in the starting rotation with Cease, Bieber, Ponce and Yesavage replacing Bassitt, Berrios, Francis and Scherzer from last Opening Day. There’s a real case that this is a stronger, more complete group. That said, the AL East is still absolutely brutal. Teams like the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox can never be written of. They have the resources, talent base, and ability to add quickly if things start breaking their way. And then there’s the Baltimore Orioles. With the amount of young talent they still have, they’re probably the biggest wild card in the division. A team like that can realistically jump from a ~75-win profile to a 90-win contender almost overnight if their young bats all click at the same time and they get decent pitching. So yes, the Jays look better and that’s encouraging but nothing in this division comes easy. Being improved doesn’t automatically mean being comfortable, and that’s exactly why health, depth, flexibility, and continued aggression still matter. Plus anything could happen in baseball as we've seen. I bet $100 on the Jays to win the World Series again and also bet $50 on them to win the AL, so I am a believer. We saw how this team played in October. It's just getting to October which is always the tough part and winning the division, so they avoid playing in the Wild Card round.

Honestly, when you look at what this Blue Jays team could use right now, a prime Ben Zobrist feels like the ideal fit. One of my favourite players from the last decade.

I agree he’d function as offensive insurance, but I think calling him just a depth add undersells the impact a bit. Over a full season, he’s likely playing his way into regular at-bats somewhere given his versitility, especially once injuries, regression, and matchup usage inevitably kick in. That playing time doesn’t have to come disproportionately from one guy. It’s more about smoothing out risk across the roster. And that insurance matters. If Giménez struggles offensively again, Clement regresses, Okamoto has an adjustment period, or Barger hits a rough stretch, Donovan gives you a credible fallback without dropping to replacement-level production. That’s real value, not just redundancy. On cost, with two years of control, I don’t think it’s nothing but it also shouldn’t be premium. Someone in the Stanifer/Arias tier feels about right, depending on whether the other team wants proximity or upside. You’re not paying star prices. Overall, he’s the kind of move that doesn’t look flashy on day one but quietly improves roster resilience over 162 and that tends to matter more than we think.

Donovan isn’t a flashy, headline-grabbing addition, but he checks a lot of boxes that this roster could really use. First, the bat plays. He’s a proven above-average offensive contributor (119 wRC+ last season), which is meaningfully better than what the Jays got from several regulars. Clement posted a 98 wRC+ in what was arguably his best season, while Giménez was closer to a 70 wRC+. Over a full season, that gap matters. Donovan consistently gets on base, limits wasted plate appearances, and helps avoid lineup dead zones. Second, he raises the floor of the lineup. He’s not here to replace stars or cap upside. He’s here to reduce volatility. If regression hits, injuries pile up, or certain bats go cold (which always happens), Donovan gives you a reliable offensive baseline rather than forcing replacement-level production into everyday roles. Third, the versatility is real value. Donovan can handle second base, third base, shortstop in a pinch, and both corner outfield spots. That flexibility matters over 162 games and becomes even more important in October when matchup optimization and roster maneuvering are critical. It also allows the Jays to move pieces like Okamoto between LF and 3B more freely. Donovan may only project as a 2.5–3 WAR player, but that’s exactly the kind of value that stabilizes good teams and helps them withstand regression and injuries. He doesn’t lower the ceiling—he makes it far more likely the Jays actually reach it.

The Jays will be fine defensively with Clement and Giménez holding down the middle infield - that’s not the concern. The gloves will play. Offensively, replacing Bo’s bat is where the challenge is. Last year’s Jays lineup was built on high contact, low strikeouts, strong OBP, and consistent pressure rather than pure slug. They were among the league leaders in wRC+ (Top 5), contact rate and one of the lower-K lineups in MLB. Starting both Giménez and Clement also creates the real possibility of a dark spot in the lineup if neither hits enough. You can survive one low-impact bat; stacking two makes it easier for opposing pitchers to navigate the order. Adding a bat like Cody Bellinger or someone with similar everyday impact would help keep the offense from losing too much of its edge and also provide more options when it comes to lineup sequencing and matchups. That said, this is still a good lineup even without Bo. The point is simply about covering all avenues and reducing risk, not panic.

Offense took a step back? Bold. The cavalry is definitely en route.