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I dropped Pineda in another dynasty league I'm in since I had no IL slots left. I looked at his numbers and geez they were awful. 4.25K/9 this season I believe. I think he's done.

Joc Pederson would be a nice LH bat to add and can play CF. Giants lost Estrada yesterday, so I think they have to be in sell mode with the latest spiral they're in. I like your idea of adding a lefty starter for depth purposes and using them for the BP after. Smyly can be a guy for sure if the Jays went that route. Even Alex Wood from San Fran would be a better target IMO.

It's a shame. Coors Field is an awesome ballpark and one of my favourites!

Yeah his contract is very favorable. Another 9M for 2023 and a 10M team option in 2024. I guess durability and age are the only concerns and he doesn't have the upside like Rodon has, but the contract is amazing. It's too bad the Blue Jays couldn't sign him last offseason instead of Kikuchi haha.

They really have been stuck in a rut after the All Star break and look lost as a team right now. They've lost 7 of their last 8 games, and they have been playing teams like the D'Backs and Cubs, which they should be capitalizing on. If they lose the series against the Cubs and fall further back, they have to be selling IMO. Joc Pederson, their best power bat, is on the IL as well right now. Rodon would be a perfect fit in the Blue Jays rotation. Alex Cobb might be also available as well and come cheaper. They also have some intriguing BP arms that wouldn't cost too much like Domenic Leone, John Brebbia, and Tyler Rogers.

They really have been stuck in a rut after the All Star break and look lost as a team right now. They've lost 7 of their last 8 games, and they have been playing teams like the D'Backs and Cubs, which they should be capitalizing on. If they lose the series against the Cubs and fall further back, they have to be selling IMO. Joc Pederson, their best power bat, is on the IL as well right now. Rodon would be a perfect fit in the Blue Jays rotation. Alex Cobb might be also available as well and come cheaper. They also have some intriguing BP arms that wouldn't cost too much like Domenic Leone, John Brebbia, and Tyler Rogers.

This is why another OF isn't a bad idea for depth purposes, unless you want Tapia starting a lot!

Tyler Mahle would have been a nice arm.

Andrew Chafin JT Realmuto

He was dealing tonight against the Yankees. Was watching the game.

I'll start the list. Nolan Arenado Paul Goldschmidt

Yeah though remember during that time period, the Jays FO and other teams knew only 4 teams made the Postseason, so it would definitely impacted the FOs strategy during the offseason and at the trade deadline. Pretty much even some Jays teams under JPs tenure, they would have been right there and I'm sure you would have had different outlooks/direction each offseason and at the trade deadline. For an example, in 2003, 2006 and 2008, maybe the Blue Jays are buyers at the trade deadline instead of just standing pat or selling. Would have impacted other teams as well in the mix for sure. Though those seasons I just mentioned, the Blue Jays definitely would have been in the mix for one of those extra Postseason spots.

How do we find out these new names? Serious question. The only way we know is which players didn't or don't play in Toronto when their team has a series up here.

Just keep it to the Trade Deadline thread. This is useless. Don't see how anyone will find out any info on players private health records right now unless they're left off the roster when their team visits Toronto. Otherwise, you and other posters have no way of knowing!

Sorry for reading your post the wrong way. Misunderstanding on my part. Would love to see the Jays target a Marlin's SP and O's closer as well haha. Yup, as a fan there are always highs and lows when following a team. You definitely appreciate the highs from experiencing and going through the lows. Same thing for me during the 2015 and 2016 seasons. Seeing the Jays make the Postseason and experiencing it for the first time in person was definitely special and felt rewarding from a fans perspective after following the team and baseball since 1997 and never getting a taste of watching a Postseason game live in Toronto. That 2005/2006 offseason was a lot of fun. I remember the Blue Jays were in on a lot of guys like even Brian Giles and Milton Bradley haha.

I started following the Blue Jays during the 1997 and 1998 seasons as a kid. Shawn Green and Roger Clemens were two of my favourite players. Even Jose Canseco in 1998 was pretty awesome. The Jays still had some leftovers from the World Series teams like Tony Fernandez, Ed Sprague, Pat Hentgen, Dave Stieb, Juan Guzman as well. I started becoming more of a student of the game once JP Ricciardi took over for some reason. His idea when he first came over was building a contender on a limited payroll and I found that Moneyball idea interesting at the time. I started watching baseball through the lens of a front office/GM instead of just a die hard fan. The 2002 season brought my excitement back after seeing guys like Doc, Wells, Hinske, Phelps, O-Dog breaking through. Started really following the team more in 2003 which was a fun season, seeing Halladay win the AL Cy Young for the first time and the seasons both Wells and Delgado had! I joined the message board in 2004 and even from having discussions and reading posts on here, have learned a lot more over the years from a lot of you guys!

It ain't happening. Jays win in 6. Edited the beginning of that post dawg! Didn't mean it to sound that way.

All I've said in previous posts, looking back at JPs tenure, he wasn't as bad as he was made out to be at the time by fans and the Toronto sports media. I mean I followed the Jays in the late 90s and early 2000s during some tough long years and during some fun seasons as well. I guess you just hopped on the bandwagon in 2015 and 2016 after the Blue Jays made the Postseason for the first time since 93?

If the Jays and Brewers met in the World Series and Tellez hits a World Series walk-off home run against the Jays in Game 7. The trolls will be out in full force and you would never hear the end of it haha.

Rays will trade McClanahan either during the offseason or next offseason before he becomes eligible for ARB.

His FO never drafted a true stud or elite talent which was the organizations biggest downfall, and like you said never had a pipeline of solid guys they could call up when they needed. They got solid production from some of his draft picks, but never over a long period of time. If an expanded Postseason existed during the 2000s, I do believe the Jays make the postseason in 3 or 4 of JP's seasons here with the rosters they had.

Blue Jays had to go extra years and cash on Burnett and Ryan. Even at the time, they both had question marks. Burnett had durability concerns and BJ Ryan was a closer just for one season and a setup guy the year before. The Burnett signing was a high reward signing mostly. They were paying for his potential more than anything. It wasn't like signing an established/elite player like George Springer or pitcher like Gerrit Cole. If you were following the Blue Jays during that time period, you would have known it was a lot more difficult to sign FA's back in the 2000s than it is now obviously. I think most Blue Jays fan would also agree with that.

Didn't the Nationals just take 2 of 3 in LA and the A's swept the Astros? LOL! They still play the Dodgers, Brewers and Braves which will be tough. Also, don't count out the Marlins if they throw Luzardo, Alcántara and Lopez in a series. It's not that easy of a schedule as you think.

He was only given a hefty payroll in the offseason before the 2006 season. As some posters discussed earlier, he actually did put together a very good roster that season. Some bad luck and with Boston and New York still power houses and having unlimited payrolls, Blue Jays were always the best third place team in the MLB. Some signings turned out bad afterwards like BJ Ryan and Vernon Wells, which strapped his FO from making any other big moves. But even after 2006, they were going hard both after Gil Meche and Ted Lilly so they were willing to spend. Unfortunately at that time, not many FA's wanted to sign in Toronto so was definitely tougher than it is now which is something you have to consider. No way a player like George Springer signs in Toronto during JPs tenure. After the 2008 season with knowing Marcum and McGowan were going to miss all of 2009, Burnett opting out and Doc in his two last years before free agency, JP knew the 2009 season was going to be a write off. If there was an expanded postseason during JPs tenure, the Blue Jays would have made the Postseason in 2003, 2005 possibly if Doc was healthy, 2006, and possibly close in 2007 and in 2008. They likely would have been more aggressive at those trade deadlines as well. Given the 2008 team with Halladay and Burnett at the top of the rotation, the Jays in a short Postseason series would have been dangerous.

Drafting under his tenure wasn't top notch, though the Jays system still rolled out solid players who contributed or were used in future trades to land other assets even under AA's tenure. Aaron Hill, Adam Lind, Dustin McGowan, Shaun Marcum (turned into Brett Lawrie who was turned into Josh Donaldson), Brandon League (was turned into Brandon Morrow prior to 2010), Brett Cecil, Eric Thames, and Drew Hutchison. Travis Snider was a bust unfortunately, though when coming up there was a lot of hype around him as any prospect in the game. It's unfortunate McGowan couldn't stay healthy because he had some of the best raw stuff I've seen. In terms of trades and free agent signings, Ricciardi did a great job at finding value and even his big signings/trades turned out well. The Blue Jays always had a solid bullpen. His FO did a great job at evaluating talent. Look at guys he brought in via trade or minor league contracts for the bullpen like Jason Frasor, Scott Downs, Brian Tallet, Justin Speier, Jeremy Accardo, and Pete Walker. If Pete Walker never spent most of playing career with the Blue Jays, who knows if he would be here as the pitching coach right now? In terms of bats, look no further than Jose Bautista when they brought him in from the Pirates. Others include Frank Catalanotto, Marco Scutaro, traded Bobby Kielty for Ted Lilly, Gregg Zaun, and got solid years out of guys who were near the end of the line on one-year contracts like Gregg Myers, Mike Bordick and Matt Stairs haha. When you look back at the big trades and signings he did, I actually appreciate those moves even more now. After the 2005 season, he had a huge offseason signing AJ Burnett, BJ Ryan, Benjie Molina and trading for Troy Glaus and Lyle Overbay. There was a lot of buzz surrounding the Blue Jays for the first time in a long time. Burnett was a really solid signing and pitched well here especially in 2008 before his opt-out. BJ Ryan was lights out in 2006 and decent in 2008 though yes injuries really made his contract look bad. If he was healthy, he was performing though. Glaus and Overbay were great in their first seasons here. Overbay was never the same after getting hit on the wrists in 2007. He resigned Roy Halladay to a very favorable contract extension to keep him around longer and did leave AA with one of the best trading chips to completely retool the farm system. As much as I hated the Vernon Wells contract, he managed to keep a big name player from leaving Toronto as a free agent at a time when nobody wanted to come play with the Blue Jays. He traded Glaus for Scott Rolen after 2007 and AA turned Rolen into Edwin Encarnacion in 2009. I wish though JP was more aggressive in 2008 in terms of adding solid bats. A lot of ABs were wasted on Shannon Stewart, Brad Wilkerson, Kevin Mench, David Eckstein etc. The team had no real true power threat that season and wasted all that great pitching they had. Losing Marcum and McGowan though to injuries that season and long term did really impact what the Jays were going to do in 2009. I think if the Jays knew they would have had a healthy Marcum and McGowan in 2009, they would have added more in the offseason or went after Burnett harder.