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Steer could be a possibility at 3B. India likely gets moved, but as a 2B

How much do you think Chapman gets as a FA now that Candelario is off the market?

He's already posted a 4 WAR season and 5.5 WAR season in his career. He's still only 28 as well. What other 3B do you have in mind? If the Jays can't bring back Chapman, they need a third baseman. Suarez already traded, and Candelario signed with the Red. Not many options available. I would definitely roll the dice on Moncada as a bounce back candidate if the White Sox eat some of his salary and doesn't cost much in a trade.

Isn't it past your bed time now?

Trade for Yoan Moncada.

India's name was thrown around earlier as a potential swap for Alex Manoah. Also, suggested him yesterday as a possible target in one of the other threads.

Spanky tonight reading the last 10 pages in this thread and responding to posts:

Yeah good comparison with Semien. A lot depends on his performance this upcoming season.

Yeah I understand Manoah + was being dangled in a deal for Soto, but given the circumstances where the Padres are looking to dump Soto and his $33M salary, and with only one-year left. After Soto is traded to the Yankees, which other 4-5 WAR player could Manoah be dangled for? I agree the Jays could use their excess pitching to upgrade the offense, but I don't see how arms like Kikuchi, Bassitt or Manoah bring in a significant upgrade to the offense. The only arms I see who could bring in a significant upgrade are Gausman and Berrios and perhaps a package built around Tiedemann. Otherwise, Kikuchi, Bassitt and Manoah don't really bring in anyone better than who is currently available as a FA (e.g. Teo Hernandez, Jorge Soler, etc.).

How many years and how much would you give Bregman? Will be 31.

Don't really see anyone other than Soto getting $250M or more. Alex Bregman might have been a candidate but don't think he signs a 10-year deal anywhere since he'll be 31 in 2025 and his offensive numbers have been trending in the wrong direction over the past 3 seasons. It's a weak FA class for bats. Alonso won't get that much unless he blasts 60-70 HR's in 2024 lol.

You just said if the Jays signed Yama, they could trade one of their back-end rotation starters for a solid bat. So you think Manoah, Kikuchi or Bassitt can bring in a 4-5 WAR bat? I think Gausman and maybe Berrios could, but then you're talking about trading your No. 1 or 2 starter. Those guys aren't in the lower part of the rotation.

Which lower part of the rotation do you think gets a solid bat? Manoah's value is at its lowest. He was only discussed in the Soto talks because Soto had 1 year remaining and Padres were looking to dump salary. Maybe a team like Cincy who could trade Jonathan India might be a fit, but otherwise Manoah alone ain't bringing in a 4-5 WAR player. Kikuchi has one year left, and his spotty track record previously likely limits his value. Might be able to get a similar aged 2-3 WAR bat for him with one year of control but nothing special. A lot of FA bats fit that description. Bassitt has two years/$40M left and will be 35. Not sure you can find a trading partner in the offseason unless that team is in desperate need of pitching and has a similar aged bat. Really only Gausman and Berrios hold any significant trade value in the offseason where you can trade them for a 4-5 WAR player.

No trouble at all. Actually quite easy. Just rinse after done right away using in warm water. Dry it with paper towel. Dip an end of the paper towel after with olive oil to wipe the skillet and let it dry naturally. I find cast iron skillets easier to clean than actual non-stick pans.

Tampa Bay Rays now enter the Ohtani sweepstakes lol

Japanese ballplayers do like playing in domes. There are a few outdoor ballparks like where the Hanshin Tigers and Hiroshima Carp play and I'm sure a bit more, but yeah the Ham Fighters played in a dome in Sapporo. I know weather was brought up before. Sapporo is situated in Hokkaido which is the northern province in Japan and they have longer winters than some places in mainland Japan. Pretty much similar to here in Canada.

Warm water to rinse first and dry. Then get a paper towel dipped with some olive oil to wipe it. Can also pour some olive oil in the skillet and heat it again for a bit. Never use soap or dish detergent for it.

The shills on this board will always think Atkins is the best no matter what. In reality, he's been solid but definitely can improve in some areas. He isn't one of the best GM's in baseball. He's done a solid job here, but it hasn't been enough and we're already going into 2024 with zero Postseason wins with this group and an aging team that beyond 2025 looks very questionable without a pipeline of young elite players ready to step in. Sure an 88-90 win team is nice, but geez it's the expanded era so definitely easier to make the Postseason every year. The issue with Atkins is he hasn't been able to take this team to the next level.

Lmao!

LOL but if Atkins traded for Soto, this wouldn't even be an issue! Would have been a fantastic trade!

Springer could be a zero at some point if he doesn't turn it around. Ryu was pretty much a zero the past two seasons. So not sure how they could be much different than Stanton and Rodon. Gausman is on the wrong side of 30 as well, no different than Cole lol. Judge is still one of the most fearful hitters in the game. Even in just 106 games, he posted a 5.3 WAR and 174 wRC+. He hasn't shown any deterioration in his skillset. He's going to be 32 next season, so he's only two years older than Ohtani, but you're okay with giving Ohtani a $600M contract who will be on the wrong side of 30 as well. The difference is the Yankees don't care about those worthless players they've added. Money is never an issue for them. Even if Stanton and Rodon become dead assets, won't stop them. Yankees aren't going to have another 80-82 win team in 2024. If they add Soto + other big names, they take that jump into the 88-90 win territory, making the AL East much more tougher.

Cast iron is the best!

Do we really want him playing OF into his late 30s and 40s though here? Value is tied more into his bat, and at that stage in his career would focus more on keeping him fresh and healthy. I'm just being a realist when it comes to this big type of deal. Anything can happen. You can't expect everything to be all sunshine and rainbows over those 10-12 years.

I never ruled out him ever playing another position, though majority of the contract he likely is still just a DH if he doesn't have the longevity on the mound. He can probably play a corner OF spot or 1B like you said, but do we really want him playing a position in his mid-to-late 30s just to squeeze out some extra WAR out of him if any at all, when you risk the chance of injury? His value is tied with his bat. Would rather him stay healthy and put up 5-6 WAR seasons like he did in 2023. In terms of context, if he makes a move to the OF or 1B, likely would happen at the half way point or latter part of the deal anyways. For example, he strictly is DHing in 2024. In 2025, he'll be able to pitch. He either A) stays healthy and pitches at an elite level like he has, or struggles to get through 15-20 starts and becomes fragile like an Erik Bedard or James Paxton on the mound. Or he C) pitches more like a No. 4 or 5 starter which is meh. If option A, the question is how long does that last in terms of health and pitching at an elite level into his mid-30s? If option B, likely Jays will experiment with him as a starter for a couple of years even in this situation, so he would strictly DH still. Both situations likely have him pitching into his mid-30s. If Option C, he still likely gets a couple of years in pitching as long as he's not Alex Manoah bad. So the chances of moving him off DH and the mound to transition into a full-time OF likely doesn't take place until he's 34-35 at the earliest. And at that point, maybe he's just a part-time OF who plays 70-80 games instead of 150. Only way he transitions to an OF or 1B spot early is if he gives up pitching altogether after 2025, which lets hope not.

As long as Joe Musgrove doesn't turn into Josh Johnson and Cronenworth bounces back to be a 2-3 WAR player. Also, have to hope Soto has a 5-6 WAR season again in his one season here. Otherwise it's no different than the 2013 Marlins trade.