John_Havok

Haha, no need to be so dramatic. No milb team can be full of age appropriate or younger players, there's just not that many of them to go around. Roster filler is there for that exact reason, to fill rosters and ensure games are able to be played.

Really solid July considering his early season injury issues. Let's see him keep it rolling into August. .255/.366/.826 with 24k, 16 walks, 3 HR and 8 SB. Great walk rate, K rate was down but still higher than you want to see, but it's trending in the right direction now at least.

Well s***. Jays fever got me by 3 to nudge me into oblivion

Might be lucky and stay in the points this week. 108.8 seems solid if spats doesn't get big points from turner or Pujols for the rest of their games or vdub 3b doesn't go massive

Quite simple really. For full season ball, Low A (Lansing level) age 21 is borderline about to be irrelevant, 20 is good, 19 is better, 18 or younger is exceptional. Advanced A (Dunedin level) 22 is borderline, 21 is good, 20 is plus, 19 is exceptional AA New Hampshire level, 23 is borderline, 22 is stillgood, 21 is plus, 20 or younger is exceptional AAA 24 is borderline, 23 is still good, 22 is plus, 21 and young is exceptional. These are the guidelines I use for regular players in full season leagues. Short season leagues are a bit harder to use agelevel because since they start up after the draft, there's always a bunch of new players that are probably better than that but end up there because there's nowhere on full season rosters to put them, and for pitchers because they've already pitched in the college or high school seasons and teams pt them on limits. But... Generally speaking, rookie ball (GCL)I'd want them to be 17 or younger to be plus. 18 is still fine, 19 is pretty borderline unless it's their first season Advanced rookie ball (Bluefield) ablut the same as GCL except 17 or younger would have more shine to them. For sort season A ball, (Vancouver) ... pretty much the same guidelines as Low A. Then of course, you also have to consider results and how many years they've been in pro ball already. Like a 21 year old Cuban raking in Low A would still be something to keep an eye on if he's in his first year in pro ball, vs a 21 year old in his 4th season of ball.

No, just saying for a player to be a "relevant prospect" with a better than decent shot at becoming a useful regular major league player, age vs level is extremely important. A 24 year old who wasn't drafted and is only in Short season A ball in his eecond season is looking at something like 100,000 to 1 odds of ever even getting to see a major league stadium without buying a ticket, let alone playing as a regular player. And as with any generalization, there are outliers like Bautista that come along once in every 10,000 players.

He does have 2 more years at 13.5 and then team option for 14. Maybe theyre looking at him as back end of the rotation for the next 3 seasons... but we could probably cobble that together with FA signings rather than giving up assets

Not sure he moves the needle at all...gotta have the sights set a bit higher I think

It's all good, I'm no pro by any stretch

It's not the Jays picks that confuse me, it's that many Orioles hitters when you picked a Jays pitcher.

I must admit, I don't understand alca.E and those picks.

Heh, except for a 24 year old to be relevant his level would need to be AAA, not short season A ball. However, I agree that he needed to be moved up, obviously he wasn't being challenged in rookie ball and there's nothing wrong with moving a guy up, even if he really isn't anywhere on the prospect radar

Completely disagree. I am exceptionally talented at hiding my erections.

I've got Kluber Liriano (huge gamble - could put up 40, or -10 Martin Davis Dozier Sano Correa Altherr Bautista Rasmus

A collection of recent posts from the Hangout: "That was a depressing inning." "And the slide continues towards the cliff." "Ballgame. This is fun." "Toronto will be in first the rest of the year. Wild Card or bust." "Take me down to Rogers Centre.Where the girls are pretty and the Orioles are s*****." "Givens is horrific. This team is dead. Blow it up!" "Man, went shopping with Os up 1-0. Come back and they're down 7-1. I think I'll go back to my regularly scheduled programming..." "The Jays are the superior team with the pitching and hitting." - this guy likely will be banned in the near future

He would say it's a trick question because no internet exists outside of Orioles Hangout.

The same could be said for any other prospect in the system.

Valid points, but do you not give him a bit of a break for all of his injuries this year and still possessing an amazing array of baseball skills despite playing baseball far less than other prospects? Remember, he played college football which cut out alot of his development time in baseball.

Yes. We won't know for sure what Atkins will really look like in IFA until year...assuming of course an international draft isn't in place by then.

Quite simply, ignoring the iFA market as a source of talent is short sighted and stupid. Any baseball GM worth his or her salt should have a robust international scouting staff and be ready to participate in this area in a meaningful way. Anything less than that and they shouldn't be employed as a GM

You've clearly never played Knifey/Spoony before

I think this gets brought up more so because any time over past 10 years when the media has posed questions about payroll to the Jays they've always received a stadard answer of " blah blah blah, attendance needs to go up first blah blah blah" Now attendance is the best in the AL, so people want to see the money being reinvested. Of course, people with any education on the business side of baseball know that attendance increases have very little to do with significant revenue increases due to the nature of how baseball teams actually make the majority of their money now, but it's the excuse they've been peddling for a decade, and now they don't have it anymore.

From the surgery date, probably anywhere from 2-3 weeks depending on if it ruptured or not first.

Actually I think it's more like a "Beautiful Mind" scenario where he thinks hes working for the Padres, but he's actually still in the basement talking to a figmets of his imagination. When he posts here now,that's how we know he's back on his meds.

Where a team is on the win curve has to taken into account with any trade, especially one of Jose's caliber. If the Jays were looking at a 70 win season, he'd be gone faster than a fart in the wind, along with edwin, saunders and every other pending FA. But when you're in a playoff spot with a better than decent shot at a 2nd straight division title, that's a completely differnet scenario about decisions like trading a marquee talent just because he's old and likely not being resigned for next season.