John_Havok

Nothing wrong with this deal at all. I would have been happy paying more for him and still giving up Hansel, 5 million for more than 1 year of Upton is perfectly acceptable.

I think the rash of pitching injuries these days is far more related to how much these kids are pitching as kids rather than what they're doing as adults. Putting their arms through the ringer while they are still developing physically is not a good idea

He also threw 100 mph when drafted, was only in the minorsless than 2 years, put up video game numbers and was in the majors by the age of 22. Not exactly the case with Barnes.

I'm okay with this deal even of the Jays end up with a 12 million dollar Upton for next year. Though this likely means Saunders is gone chances are he wouldn't have been back anyways

It wasn't as overpriced as I thought it would be for the normal menu, but table 23 is his own table with its own pre-determined menu for a table of 6 and yes, it was crazy. It was a business dinner for my wife and some clients so the company is getting the bill. 4 course meal served by the chef himself with different wine and beer pairings for each course and finished with 23 layer chocolate cake. It was an insane amount of food.

Well, one of the counterpoints to your opinion would be that you just posted a list of backups or platoon targets with limited upside (Jon jay notwithstanding)whereas Upton is a full time player who, regardless of his 2016 season, still has a track record of skill and value as a full time player and it would not be ludicrous to see there a chance that he can recapture a portion of that. Everyone else on your list really does have limited upside because of their platoon roles and part time status. With Upton, there's actually a chance he could turn back the clock to a point. Not saying he's a 5 WAR candidate, but 2-3 isn't out of the realm of possibility, given that he's amassed 3.1 WAR over his last 600 PA. You can call that recency bias, but completely discounting it because he was legitimately awful in 2013 and 2014 doesn't make any sense either.

Post that list's projections please. I'm curious

Cleveland and the Nationals would really be the only ones that have both the need and the prospects. You could argue that Baltimore could still use an elite reliever like Miller, but they don't have the prospect capital to pull it off especially since they are division rivals. Texas maybe?

I'm legitimately curious to know if he has changed anything like arm slot, delivery, found a new pitch etc...something to explain a microscopic babip and 95% stand rate seemingly out if nowhere.

He did get Grilli for free...

And those 1 year short term del would still be in the 8-10 million range for anyone competant. If you can get the Padres to eat 6-8 million of next year's salary and only give up some clown prospect, I'd say that's bettr than running the risk of free agency where there are no guarantees. Sometimes, getting a guy in trade is the better way to go if you're concerned about limiting risk and uncertainty in the FA market and have no guarantee you're going to get who you want. Also, there's probably a few guys on that list that will somehow be offered a QO and turn it down, which means you're giving up a top pick and cash potentially. Obviously a C level prospect and cash would be better to give up than your first round pick and cash if you trust yourselves enough not to end up with a scrub with your first round pick.

This just in. Table 23 at Michael Jordan's steakhouse is amazing. I feel like an anaconda that just finished eating a goat

Just reposting something I put in another thread. I hold little faith in the ability of a guy who was never even good enough to be tried as a starter in the minors... ever. 3 career starts in the minors in 7 seasons. That being said, he may have made changes this season as his walk rate has plummeted from his previously consistent 7 to 8% to a mere 2 -3 %, while bumping his K rate up from 28% to 36% even while jumping up a level, though his AAA sample size is still very small and he's probably still benefitting from seeing hitters for the first time.

Now youve cursed him. Randy Ruiz worked out well. But in all seriousness, he probably will get a shot at some point but I wont be shocked if he flops. I hold little faith in the ability of a guy who was never even good enough to be tried as a starter in the minors... ever. 3 career starts in the minors in 7 seasons. That being said, he may have made changes this season as his walk rate has plummeted from his previously consistent 7 to 8% to a mere 2 -3 %, while bumping his K rate up from 28% to 36% even while jumping up a level, though his AAA sample size is still very small and he's probably still benefitting from seeing hitters for the first time.

No, didn't mean as a throw in, lol. Just saying they could easily part with one of their prized outfielder prospects if a trade of Miller was involved. I'm actually afraid the Yankees will do some housecleaning and end up with multiple top prospects, drastically reduce their payroll in the process and end up a juggernaut for the next 10 years after they sign harper.

Cleveland likely would for Beltran plus Miller.they need to make a move

One of the failings of scouting over the past is completely discounting certain results (walks being the big one) and overlooking the non prototypical body types. That's where the numbers guys came in and said hey... what about these guys?

Here's the fangraphs write-ups on both Urena and Torres from pre-season 2016. Obviously this is only one opinion, but if you check around to other sites, you'll find they are pretty similar. Urena: Urena is all over the place when it comes to future projection. He could be a plus-fielding shortstop who hits for power, or he could be an average-ish defender who doesn’t hit enough to be more than a bench player. Some are concerned about his ability to stick at his position, but I think he ends up an above-average contributor overall on defense, regardless of where he ends up. I like elements of his swing from both sides of the plate, as well, but his approach is pretty abysmal, and I’m not sure he has the pitch recognition to tap into his above-average raw power. His power is more a product of a pretty good swing path than raw strength. That usually bodes well for squaring more balls up because of time spent in line with pitch flight, but he seems to struggle with making adjustments mid-swing. He is also extremely aggressive to a fault, to the point that his 15 home runs last season actually exceeded his walk total (13). If his power were more guaranteed, he might be able to get away with that kind of approach, but as is, he needs to make an adjustment to profile as a lineup regular. Blue Jays sources are big fans of his future development, and though I list a bunch of reasons why he’s a bit shaky, it’s important to recognize he’s only 20 years old. I remain more confident in his defense reaching the average-to-above plateau than his offense, but the potential is there for five average tools if his plate discipline improves. Hit: 30/45/50 Power: 35/45+/50-55 Run: 50/50/50 Field: 50/55/55+ Throw: 60/60/60 Overall: 30/45/55-60 Torres: Torres has a great all-around profile, with all but his power projecting to be at least average. Defensively he doesn’t have prototypical shortstop range, but controls his body extremely well with excellent footwork. If he loses a step as he matures, he would be a great fit at second or third, as well, but I like him at short. He has plus arm strength with the ability to get rid of the ball quickly. His average speed could fade, but he has the instincts to create opportunities on the bases regardless. In the box, Torres has a line drive swing with a lot of athletic moves. He makes plenty of hard contact, though his strength and level swing plane hint at a power ceiling around average. His batting practice swings show some better lift, but reaching it against live pitching would likely require some conscious effort to enact, made unnecessary by his raw ability to hit. He has excellent balance and a strong lower half, with smooth hands and a selective approach in game. There is work to do on pitch recognition, but that is likely to come with more repetitions rather than being an innate problem. Torres looks to me like an elite major league hitter who will have situational power, making pitchers pay for mistakes left up in the zone. Hit: 40/60/70 Power: 25/40/50 Run: 50/50/55 Field: 55/55/60 Throw: 55/60/60 Overall (Current, Likely Future, Ceiling): 35/60/70

2 HR 5 SB and 8 BB in that stretch also. His all around game may be starting to come back

Torres is abut 1 year younger than Urena, knows how to take walks and most are projecting him as an eventaul great hitter with average power and plus but not elite defense. Urena's celing right now is projecting as maybe an average hitter (if his litch recognition improves) with plus defense.

Could do a 1 year extension with an option year to get it done likely (say 2.5 million, plus a 3 million team option)unless Barney really feels confident in a guaranteed multi-year deal as a backup utility IF on the open market. I don't see a lot of backup infielders signing multi-year deals for any real cash. If there's a team that actually sees him as a starter though after his good year... he'll be gone.

Arencibia. Though of course the situations were completely different

Hard to put a lot if stock in hits given up in the low minors unless it's very consistent from start to start. Defense is shaky all over the diamond down there. He needs to develop a consistent swing and miss offering though

Yes, meant Lake Michigan. Lol US Cellular field is crossed off the list, and it was really kind of mundane. Just an okay stadium but a very good game to see. Melky walk,off probably saved some lives today, the rage was palpable after those 3 9th inning homers from Detroit to tie it up Hoping Wrigleyville will make up for the stadium experience on Friday And I may be in love with Giordano's pizza....

Wow, Bluefield drew 12 walks to go with 12 hits in 1 game. That's crazy