John_Havok

Very infrequently is that a good option.

Key was such a freaky pitcher, he was the prototypical FIP beater. In his heyday, he averaged 5.2 K/9, and 2 BB/9, yet nobody could square him up. babip of .269 over 10 seasons before the command trailed off.

I tend to agree, though he does have more power than youd typically see in that spot. I'm trying to picture him hitting behind Kirk and Belt, but then that kind of speed behind 2 of the bottom 25 runners in MLB is kind of a weird idea. I also think Belt will be hitting 4th behind Guerrero, then Chapman or Kirk. Yeah, i think Vlad, Belt and Kirk all hitting together makes sense, get the slow guys all up there at once. Then Chapman can start it off again with Varsho behind him. For all of Chapman's faults, speed isn't one of them. 77th percentile in 2022.

Some guy just posted this as a lineup. Sure, it does't truly matter much but im thinking it's close.

Toman would be another that's likely just outside the top 100 and could probably be argued to be there in the 80-100 range. It's not like there's a massive talent gap from 80-130 anyways. Most of them would rank as a FV 40

Prospect lists are always slow to pick up guys with no top-round draft hype that seem to come out of nowhere. For his draft I think he was ranked anywhere from 150-200+

He could be useful as both an IF and OF, but he's not exactly a power threat with only 17 HR in nearly 2000 PAs. He's a slash and burn type of guy. Could see him getting lots of pinch running opportunites this season too.

Yeah that's just it, when every top prospect you have has already granduated in the past few years, the top end gets thinner. By mid season there could easily be 1 or 2 additions based on last years draft. Barreira has as good a shot as any to rocket up the charts. Barger is probably just on the outside looking in. Orelvis could climb back in if he shows any plate discipline improvement. Side note, here is Prospect1500.com's Jays farm rankings for 2023. https://www.prospects1500.com/al-east/blue-jays/toronto-blue-jays-top-50-prospects-2023/ Tier 1 1. Ricky Tiedemann, LHP, 20, Double-A Tiedemann, at only 19 years old, was a fast-riser in 2022. He was impressive in his first professional season moving through three levels. He has an excellent feel for all his pitches, a mid-90’s fastball, slider and changeup. He could be closer to the majors than you think. Tier 2 2. Orelvis Martinez, SS/3B. 21, Double-A The power is impressive with 30 HR as one of the youngest players in the Eastern League, but his aggressive approach is concerning with a 29% strikeout rate and a .203 avg. It would do him good to start the season again at Double-A. 3. Brandon Barriera, LHP, 18, High School Barriera was the 1st round selection in the 2022 MLB Draft. He was the top left-hander in the draft class but has yet to make his debut in the system. 4. Addison Barger, SS/3B, 23, Triple-A Barger had an outstanding breakout season across three levels improving at each step along the way. He finished the season with an 8 game stretch at AAA where he was 11/31 with 3 HR and 9 RBI. He is a left-handed pull hitter with 24 or his 26 HR hit to right field. 5. Yosver Zulueta, RHP, 25, Triple-A After multiple injuries including Tommy John surgery and a torn ACL, we finally got a full season from Zulueta in 2022. The 25-year-old Cuban moved through all four levels, striking out batters at a 13.6/9 rate. He has a fastball that reaches triple digits and a plus curveball that he uses as his out pitch. Tier 3 6. Gabriel Martinez, OF, 20, High-A Martinez had a sizzling start to his first full season with 8 HR and a .367/.404/.694 slashline in May, before breaking his wrist. After returning from the injury, he was promoted to Vancouver where he continued to hold his own slashing .324/.381/.490 as one of the youngest players in the Northwest League. 7. Tucker Toman, 3B/SS, 19, Rookie (FCL) Jays went significantly over-slot with a $2M bonus on Toman when he was selected in the 2nd round of the 2022 draft out of high school. The switch hitter is projected to be a power-hitting third baseman. He made a good debut in the FCL with a slashing .290/.391/.368 in 11 games. 8. Dahian Santos, RHP, 19, High-A Santos had an outstanding start to the season at Dunedin, especially in May when he had 43 K in 21.2 IP and a 0.83 ERA. He struggled though when promoted to High-A Vancouver but at 19 was the youngest pitcher in the league. His slider is a devastating out pitch. 9. Cade Doughty, 2B/3B, 21, Single-A Doughty was drafted with a 2nd round supplemental pick in the 2022 draft. He had 15 HR and hit .298, earning 3rd team All-American recognition at LSU. Reports say that he is a clutch hitter who comes through in big situations. He had a good debut in Dunedin with 6 HR and a .272/.370/.495 slashline in 36 games. 10. Adam Macko, LHP, 21, High-A Macko was acquired from Seattle in the Teoscar Hernandez trade. Born in Slovakia, he grew up in Canada and was selected in the 7th round of the 2019 draft from an Alberta high school. He has a high ceiling with a plus fastball and nasty stuff. The strikeouts are impressive with a 14K/9 rate in the small sample size so far. He has an injury history with shoulder, elbow and knee injuries having shut down each of the last two seasons. He did pitch 13.1 innings in the AFL so hopefully the injury is all behind him now. 11. Spencer Horwitz, 1B, 25, Triple-A Now 25, the disciplined left-handed hitting first basemen was added to the 40 man roster and should get a shot at a bench role this season in Toronto. Selected in the 24th round of the 2019, draft he has quickly moved up the ladder. He had an outstanding start to 2022 at Double-A New Hampshire with 10 HR and a .297/.413/.517 slashline before finishing the season at Triple-A. 12. Leo Jimenez, SS. 21, High-A Jimenez failed to follow up on his strong season in 2021, but the former top IFA signing from 2017 continues to climb up through the system. He will look to rebound at Double-A New Hampshire in 2023. 13. Nate Pearson, RHP, 26, Triple-A The former top prospect had another season marred by injury. No longer rookie-eligible and now 26 years old but with only 33 IP he is still considered a prospect in most dynasty formats. His days as a starter are likely behind him, but the big fastball and effective slider will make him a valuable bullpen piece if he can stay healthy. He was dominant this winter in the DWL with 0 runs allowed in 12 innings with 16K. 14. Sem Robberse, RHP, 21, Double-A Robberse had another great year with Vancouver before a late promotion to Double-A. He led the Canadians rotation with a 3.12 ERA, consistently working into the 5th inning and beyond. He has four solid pitches, but the knock on him is that he lacks a great out pitch. 15. Hayden Juenger, RHP, 22. Triple-A Juenger was selected in the 6th round of the 2021 draft. They aggressively pushed him from Double-A to Triple-A in 2022. A two-pitch pitcher, he was transitioned into the bullpen in Buffalo. We could see him in Toronto in 2023 in any number of roles. 16. Josh Kasevich, SS/3B, 21, Single-A Kasevich was selected in the 2nd round of the 2022 draft. He is a patient contact hitter who walks more than he strikes out. 17. Otto Lopez, OF/2B, 24, MLB Lopez had a solid season at Triple-A Buffalo with a.297/.378/.415 slashline. He has good speed with 14 stolen bases and 6 triples. He was called up to Toronto and used in a bench role three times in 2022. We should expect more of the same this season. 18. Damiano Palmegiani, 3B, 23, High-A Venezuelan born, Canadian raised, Palmegiani was selected twice by the Blue Jays. Drafted late in the 2018 draft, he opted to not sign and go to college and then was selected again in the 14th round of the 2021 draft. In his first full season, the slugger took a huge step forward with 24 home runs and 83 RBI split between Dunedin and Vancouver. 19. Alex De Jesus, 3B. 20, High-A De Jesus was acquired from the LA Dodgers at the trade deadline along with RHP Mitch White. He had a good first half in the Dodgers organization, batting .272 with 11 home runs, but he did not hit nearly as well after the trade. 20. CJ Van Eyk, RHP, 24, DNP (Injured) Former 2nd round pick in the 2020 Draft, he missed all of 2022 after off-season Tommy John surgery. 21. Manuel Beltre, SS, 18, Single-A The top international signing from 2021 came in with much fanfare. He spent his first season stateside in the FCL with average results until a late-season promotion to Single-A and a hot streak left us with a glimpse of the good things to come. In 5 games at Dunedin he slashed .381/.409/.571.

just say no to KP.

Random facts about #27 for the Jays, 13 different players wore the number from 1977 through 2001, but from 2003 until last season only 4 different players have worn it, with 2 of them being a Jr.

Story of my life bro

I hope he succeeds every time he hits the mound until his next injury. Should be .... April 2nd or 3rd?

Idiot fans like that should be slapped. Yeah he sucked that year, boo him on the field all you want. On the street, keep your f***in mouth shut, your privilege to heckle doesn’t extend past the stadium doors.

Right on.

No GM is the new rage. Pretty soon all the teams will be doing it

If Bauer couldn’t even get one against him, I don’t think Stang is all that worried.

Good to see you out of hibernation! When you heading to Florida or are you there already?

Just to kill some time between now and ST, lets put together a list of Jays who had all the hype in the world, and then injuries completely decimated them. lets try to get 5 SP plus a few others we could stick in the pen, with a full IF and OF. Credit to the ST countdown thread for inspiration I'll start, then people can add in their picks SP - Dustin McGowan - all the talent in the world, but a completely f***ed up shoulder and it was pretty much over. Best season was a solid 3.4 fWAR in 2007 with a 3.79 xFIP over 27 starts, then had a really solid 2008 rolling along until he was sidelined again in July with "shoulder soreness" than ended up being season ending surgery and then kept hurting it again ang again in recovery. Missed all of 2009, 2010 and 2012 due to injuries and attempted a comeback out of the pen from 2013-2017 with Toronto, Philly and Miami, but realistically it was all over in 2008.

In 1978 it was 29. And yes, that is him. He switched to 16 in 1980

Random facts about #29 for the Jays: Definitely one of the more well recognized numbers, thanks to Joe Carter winning a World Series for them in walk off fashion and also by arguably the teams first home grown position player star in Jesse Barfield. Only 8 seasons in Jays history has this number not been worn. First player to wear it was Hector Torres in 1977, and most recently by Gosuke Katoh is 2022. Memorable names to wear the # aside from the previously mentioned legends include Dustin McGowan, Devon Travis, Pat Borders for just 1 season, Shea Hillenbrand and Kevin Cash.

Would it also mean that Bo is more willing to switch positions than some give him credit for? Like, obviously he’s not going to give up the position for anyone on a 1 year deal (Semien) or someone who good defensively but a noodle bat.

Probably lives with his mother. Vlad Sr was quite the genetic jackhammer and didn’t exactly sow all the seeds in the same garden.

Todays random facts about #30 for the Jays…1st player to wear it was Pete Vukevich in 1977, and currently it’s being stretched out by Alejandro Kirk. This number has multiple years where multiple players wore the number in the same season. 2000 it was worn by both Frank and Alberto Castillo. 2010: Taylor Buchholz and Dana Eveland 2016: Danny Barnes, Jesse Chavez and Dioner Navarro 2020: Anthony Alford and Jonathan Villar