John_Havok

Not really. He'd a year behind him in arb years, isnt a super 2 and don't hit 49 HRs a few seasons ago. He couldn't have got near that much yet.

Don't skip your meds. Please.

If you think for millisecond that MLB isnt watching all of this stuff extremely closely and needs a pitcher to let them know of anything that some random surgeons say, you're dreaming.

Did you mean incarcerate or...sign to longer term deal?

Truly

I doubt there's much of a causation link between geographic origin of a pitcher and their subsequent injury rates.

Athletic article on the Jays non-tender situation condensed version: Arbitration-eligible players with estimated 2024 salaries (via MLB Trade Rumors) Adam Cimber: $3.2 million - they seem to feel he is likely non-tendered Trevor Richards: $2.4 million - didnt even talk about him in the article, IMO he's tendered but a likely trade candidate Danny Jansen: $5.2 million - obviously tendered Vladimir Guerrero Jr.: $20.4 million - obviously tendered Tim Mayza: $3.3 million - obviously tendered Cavan Biggio: $3.7 million - they waffle a bit here, but to me he's a lock to be tendered Erik Swanson: $2.7 million - obviously tendered Jordan Romano: $7.7 million - obviously tendered Génesis Cabrera: $1.4 million - obviously tendered Santiago Espinal: $2.5 million - some back and forth on him, I think he's Non-tendered Daulton Varsho: $5.5 million - obviously tendered Alejandro Kirk: $2.6 million - obviously tendered Nate Pearson: $800K - obviously tendered Pre Arb Bubble Boys: not much insight on these guys since league minimum guys don't "need" to be cut to save money but IMO; RHP Wes Parsons - non-tendered RHP Zach Pop - keep C Tyler Heineman - dump and re-sign to minor league deal UTIL Ernie Clement - keep, trade candidate UTIL Otto Lopez - keep, trade candidate OF Nathan Lukes - could go either way, probably leaning towards keep right now given he's their defacto LF right now. Could be DFA once a real player is acquired.

Dude has already told his team his young guys are as good as gone as soon as it saves him money.

Every division with big spenders is competitive, though so…that kind of logic is pretty flawed.

Never in 100 years would Baltimore shell out 500 million on a player

Some teams haven't handed out 300 million total over the past 5 years for their entire teams. I would guess probably 5 teams or close to that

The TL : DR version..... I keep making 10s of millions of dollars in revenue sharing and I can't take the chance of that cash cow drying up...so f*** y'all, we out.

With Rivera gone the "mistakes" from 3rd have already been cut by 80%

They're also considering mound visits being reduced to 4 from 5

That's just one of those statements that is technically true, but the devil is in the details. a ton of the income Rogers takes is undoubtedly related to the Jays and the massive exposure the Rogers brand gets from owning them and the network

Hopefully Espinal Parsons, Heineman and maybe Lukes?

Well salary dump yes, but he also has been straight trash. His xFIP is awful. I'd still consider claiming him but I'd also probably try to DFA him right away to send to AAA

Yes, i had considered that the way it could work would be signing a great FA pitcher with Kikuchi then being the defacto 5...however that still leaves a problem with depth IF a trade of Manoah happens for a bat. Then you're still looking at scrap heap minor league deals where guys know they have virtually no shot at a major league job unless someone gets hurt. Not the worst situation to be in I guess, but when that's the case you don't get to pick and choose the signees, you get to pick the leftovers in January/Feb nobody else wanted. I think in that kind of scenario it would make more sense to sign both a big name starter and another middling guy and trade Kikuchi for a bat while his value is higher, keeping Manoah to pitch at AAA alongside Tiedemann and whomever else they can scrounge up. And yes Ohtani signing would be so huge. It's probably pipe dreaming, but the marketing he could be a part of for Rogers would be unparalleled

Generally true but, the Jays only need 1 ML arm, the depth they are looking for right now are guys that would sign minor league deals and come to ST to compete for the 5 spot. Trading Manoah doesn't really change that since Manoah is far from guaranteed to have the 5 spot locked down. Trading Manoah just means now you're still looking for a 4-5 and then multiple minor league deals. It would make more sense to trade Kikuchi for a bat and then fill his spot with the free agent market given what's out there

The thing is, Ohtani fits so perfectly with the Jays needs both this year and beyond that it makes a ton of sense for Rogers to back up a dump truck full of cash on Ohtani's doorstep and dare him to say no

Naw, just wondering how long it will take MLB to correct the obvious gaming of the system, like they did back when teams got to the Type A/B free agency thing. Anthopoulos in Toronto was a perfect example but there were many others. MLB realized there was a problem and corrected it. It could be something simple like if you get the extra pick for the rookie thing, you forfeit your competitive balance pick(s) or something.

Lol, so a team that won 100 games will now get what… 4 picks in the top 40? Keep ‘em rolling in, it’s the only way they’ll ever compete

That is a problem yes. That's why I envision a very quiet offseason on the trade front. They'll be a few FA signings but nothing exceptional and maybe a few stop gaps picked up. Unless there's a blockbuster trade that nobody sees coming...

This is true, but I really dislike the idea of trading Manoah right now unless it's a clear win in return. The rotation depth of the Jays right now is pretty thin. Sure they can roll out 1-4 with the best of the teams in baseball but past that it's Manoah, Tiedemann and Francis in house, and Van Eyk if you really squint and get desperate. Trading away from that already thin depth wouldn't be wise imo.

Well yeah, you're not delusional