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I posted rarely but lurked the old board as frantzee, and was subsequently labelled as the dog by fatcox. Now I've been here since the inception of this board and today was singlehandedly the best day as a Blue Jays fan I've ever experienced. Being amongst diehards has taught me so much about this game. Cheers to all of you, old and new.

Odor hits the inside pitch so well.

The Indians could just pay him in 2017 and keep Carrasco if they really wanted Edwin.

I could see that. I expect one to be resigned and one to walk. I've always envisioned AA not wanting to take the PR hit of losing JB, but with Shapiro on board now maybe that line of thinking will change.

Why would they agree to it? I know how 10/5 rights work. They will not agree to a trade before the season. Yes if the team is utter horse s*** they'll both accept a trade to a contender and the Jays will gladly move them, knowing they likely resign one of them with no comp pick attached in 2017.

Bautista to 1B in 2017.

I never said that. I said not having them on the team next year is a fireable offense. The only way they aren't here is if their options aren't picked up because they won't be traded. I'd be willing to make my first BJMB wager on this.

Nobody is really advocating to sign them both to extensions. Bautista will probably get extended, Edwin probably walks.

The only way they aren't here next year is if their options are not picked up. That's not happening.

This was made very clear to me by Dinger before the trade deadline so it's my moral obligation to do it now. 10/5 rights mean Edwin nor Jose will not be moved.

That does sound like a problem!

Jim? Comments?

My post was obviously in reference to transitioning back to starting. You haven't been reading the posts.

lol whats on tap tonight Spanky?

You're right Jim. Go find 150 wRC+ FA hitters who will come to Toronto for less than $10M on a one year deal. I bet we could get Crush Davis for like $7M.

rec·la·ma·tion (rĕk′lə-mā′shən) n. 1. The act or process of reclaiming. 2. A restoration, as to productivity, usefulness, or morality.

Could you imagine that ego in Ohio?

Puig for Carrasco Who says no?

Why on earth would Bautista and/or Edwin be gone this year? That's a fireable offense if it happens.

Pillar will be 27 next year coming off of what will most likely be the best year of his career. His two biggest assets- defense and baserunning really can't be expected to improve next year. He had a great year, but will most likely end up being a bit of an outlier. Carrasco essentially silenced all the skeptics this year by breaking out in a huge way- making 30 starts, increasing his K% and SwStr% blah blah. The argument that he was s***** before while pumping Pillar's tires isn't really fair because Pillar was pretty s***** too. The difference is Carrasco repeated his success and I don't think many if any MLB orgs would expect Pillar to do the same. If Sanchez was a guy they coveted enough as a reclamation project to attempt to transition him to starting again, a deal would've probably got done in July. My guess is Cleveland sees the same player many of us see- a guy with one good pitch, lacking a secondary one with troubles throwing strikes for more than one inning. It's fun to speculate what Sanchez could be, but I doubt the Indians are interested in getting lottery tickets back for Carrasco. As for Greene and SRF they're nice pieces, but not really the blue chippers that return a top of the rotation arm. They could very well make big strides next year and become coveted arms (SRF lowering those walks, Greene striking out more polished hitters). Basically, there would be a lot of teams that would offer more than what is being discussed.

Maddon turning this into a bullpen game and Grimm strikes out the side. Will he go another?

The problem with this scenario is that a progressive front office like Cleveland isn't going to view Pillar as a true talent 4 WAR center fielder moving forward, probably closer to 2-2.5 WAR. That type of player can't (won't) be the best MLB established piece for a guy like Carrasco. Pillar would have been a great guy to sell high on if this team had finished in 3rd place, but I think this team is better served holding onto him with the uncertainty in CF after him. Elite defenders up the middle are the building blocks of elite team defenses.

That's essentially the point he's making.