theblujay
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Then I think you'll love this: if you're looking for someone who was just decent and an advanced age in the minors and then broke out, look no further than the other hot thread on this board. SABR's very own Josh Donaldson. Now I'm not comparing Goins to him, but he's a perfect example of why one shouldn't give up on these guys before we even see them play. Give the guy a chance
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Good point. Who knows what this guy is capable of.
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People were talking about him like he's some amazing baserunner. I was just pointing out his SBs. Funny how you show up here without any real points.
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At 2B sadly you're right.
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Pretty cool too, but Goins is a much better defender.
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Flashing some power! The first HR is always cool. Kinda cool when a defensive whiz hits a HR
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your favorite moments of the season?
theblujay replied to guylaroche5's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
Stroman as a starter, the progress of the 15 or so guys on the short season teams. The 11 game streak of course. The most meaningful Jays game I've ever seen. I'm still waiting for the year when we can still watch with interest past the trade deadline. -
A player in the AL west who faces the Astros pitching 18 times a year should have a better chance. Why don't you want to adjust for that. A player on the pirates doesn't face his own top pitching staff... There's plenty of other examples, but they are part of the game. Basically I think it's outrageous to want to award MVP to someone based a hypothetical conversion of their stats.
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A GM evaluating a player for the FUTURE is different than determining which player had the best stats during the season. One is fact, one is hypothetical. When you're looking at the hypotheticals, go ahead change and adjust the stats all you want to level it out.
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MVP shouldn't be the best player, it should be the player who had the best season and put up the best numbers. If you're gonna adjust for park factors, why not adjust for every other difference between the players.
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Nope I don't think that.
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I'm not saying he's better, I'm saying if its the MVP vote than Balentin should be ahead. It's like you guys just don't read what I say and turn it into what you want to see. Btw I hope you're not serious.
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It's ridiculous that you think we should adjust stats before looking at them to decide who the MVP is. The MVP award is pure results, or performance. I'm interested in what numbers they put up, and how they played. Not how they would have played, because you can't know that. What do you want next? Should we look at every pitcher every batter faced and adjust for that?
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Order is restored
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I'm saying when judging the most valuable player you can't adjust stats because of the park, because their results in a neutral park are hypothetical. Surely you understand this
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That was a great article thanks. It pretty much sums up my thoughts. When you start getting into park factors you lose me because it becomes hypothetical and the MVP should based off of real production. That's kind if my problem with sabr stats, they really take the context out of the game, which I'd argue us really the central part if every game. WAR tries to add up the value if a single, double, ect. but not every hit us equal. This is kind if similar to why I like RBIs, although I admit that stat is flawed. I guess WPA could be a good place to start, but I imagine that's a very tough stat to quantify exactly.
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Good job bailing yourself out with the "this season", but it's still a ridiculous claim to even mention the two in the same sentence. When you're as good as Miggy defense and bases running don't matter that much, especially when compared to a guy like josh freaking donaldson
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When someone rides the regulars that hard I can understand why they would. At least most of those guys seem knowledgeable and contribute positively to the threads.
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Deflect away, I just want your answer, because if its yes I get a nice new sig.
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Idk if you're quoting the wrong things, but you're first response to me makes no sense, you're spewing garbage
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You CANNOT possibly tell me you think Donaldson is on the same level as MIGUEL CABRERA.
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I love how consistent you are. Never anything constructive, just trash.
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So you agree with me, but you still find a way to attack. Donaldson is nowhere near as good as Cabrera they're not even in the same discussion. Now Trout is on the same legendary level but he still has a ways to go. Donaldson is forgettable, good not great and will probably regress a lot.
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Oh good thing the box is back. Where would we be without him jumping into threads and attacking people with out if context quotes. Btw boxy, tell me, do you think Donaldson is better than Cabrera.
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You're back! It felt like something was missing w/o your sarcastic one line nothing posts.
