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Maybe Gose does have a decent bat. I really think he can start the season as our CF. put Rasmus in left, just get rid of Melky. He's still got work to do with the bat obviously, but I really think he can get better with some coaching. Who knows, but I'll stay optimistic.
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Bump. Great night for Gose
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It is so bad that I have some optimism and don't hate players and root for them to fail?
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What's your point? My stance on all Jays players is that I'm rooting for them to perform well and get better.
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He's so underrated by many on here.
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Anything. In this case BTS said wOBA
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BTW, just a question about park factors: wouldn't it make sense that its easier to get a single, double or triple in a bigger park because the outfielders have more ground to cover? The only disadvantage is HRs. It would seem that the real Park factor would come from environmental effects like altitude.
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If the numbers are exactly equal then I could understand giving it to the person in the pitchers park, but if the player in CO was a good bit better then I have more of a problem
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Like I said in that quick example: I'd have a tough time giving the MVP to someone based on adjustments that come from a use sample. I would give the award to the player who put up the best numbers, whatever stats you want to use.
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I agree with that park factors are important when evaluating a pitcher for the future. I'm not exactly sure what's wrong with JJ, but there's a big difference between pitching in Miami and at the Rogers Centre. It could be expected that he wouldn't do as well pitching for us, but I'm not going to discredit the seasons he put up in Florida at all.
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I was specifically saying this about the MVP award. I was thinking of it like this: player A has better stats than player B, but player B is given the award because, according to the hypothetical stat adjustments he would have been better. The thing is, who knows what would have happened if player A and B switched teams. We can get a pretty good idea, and that's why it's useful when looking at the future. Btw thanks for actually responding with something helpful
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You're just proving my point with posts like this.
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For someone reason you're all missing my point. Ill try to explain I said that if we are going to adjust past performance when evaluating the MVP, why only do parks? Why not opposing pitcher, or situational hitting. Or even every pitch, the velocity, the movement, the location and how good the batter is against every type of pitch. How about the weather, time of day...there are so many variables, many of them very insignificant, but that's what makes baseball a game and not a simulation.
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Dude, I'll try to make it clear. I'm talking about all the pitchers that every player faces. I just said the Astros because they're one of the worst teams. Who knows which batter faced the easiest pitching. BTW I don't ignore WAR I look at it all the time. But I don't only use it.
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That's fair, but there's a crucial difference that bothers me. In your example the value is certain, they are no other variables, just an equals sign. In baseball there are countless variables, and because of this I don't think we can adjust stats based on a single constant to determine the MVP. For predicting future numbers, sure. For past performance, ok you can use some thinking about where the player plays and their opponents, their team, ect. but I don't think you should put it into a number adjustment.
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Great HR for Goins and great outcome for tank nation.
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I love seeing the false sense of superiority people like you get because you know some SABR stats. I was specifically saying that only Donaldson is affected by the Astros. I was saying that if you want to adjust past performance based on parks, you might as well adjust for more things, such as opposing pitchers numbers. (Although now that I think about it, wouldn't you have to adjust pitchers' stats based on opposing hitters...)
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I haven't gotten much deeper than stats like WAR and FIP
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Maybe I just started to get frustrated after a few people starting saying they wanting Goins to fail and there was no chance he could get better.
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Funny, I would say a lot of you are being closed minded, where I'm trying to stay open minded about Goins and consider traditional stats and SABR stats
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Goins' upside isn't as high as those guys for that reason, but he could still be a good player. He may not be special, but he's young and happens to be in a situation where he might be considered for a roster spot next year. So I'm rooting for the guy and am optimistic about him because I like rooting for players on the Jays to be the best they can and keep getting better.
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I literally said I'm not comparing them. I'm comparing their situation, something Gordie has done with Goins and Thames countless times.
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I feel like I've said this 100 times in this thread already. But I'll say it again because, like you, I'm avoiding hw. I'm not banking on anything, and I don't think Goins should be our starting 2B if we can get someone better. It just frustrated me when people were writing him off before he even played a game.
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That's a whole different problem, but I'm not sure I see your point.
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It wasn't just him, a bunch of people were saying his base running was above average and I was just pointing out his low SB totals, obviously there's more than SBs, but it seems like its tough to be a great base runner when you're not that fast. As long as you're not Sierra-dumb and a kinda quick you can be a positive baserunner.
