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Well if they decide to fill 2B from within the org it may be his to lose.

My thoughts haven't changed. Should be our 4th/5th OF next year

Great D, potential with the bat. Similar to goins

Back on topic: kinda along the same lines. I think Gose should be the starting CF next year with Rasmus in left.

Every 5 pages you come here with a updated count. Thanks!

Isn't this the guy who baited you into a 10 page fight

What are those numbers for Goins based on? This year in AAA?

This is pretty much what I've been saying all along, thanks

Yep

Man there are so many great ones from the old board. Remember that one where everyone made those animated talking head videos. The ECJF and Greinke one hahaha

Oh yeah I guess so

How about when fatcow went berserk when he found out Reyes got injured. I'll see if I can find it

The pitching stat thread where the guy tried to make a stat and it turned into a SABR war.

Oh yeah put this in there

You've said that at least 10 times.

I won't be upset if its for the right reasons. (we spent big money elsewhere, didn't overpay in a trade, Goins played well in ST to win the job).

5 wins better off is 2-3 WAR

If Goins is our starting 2B I'll be very disappointed in AA

Show me where anyone said that.

11th in wRC+, which is being used a lot in this thread.

I feel like I'm repeating myself a lot on this thread. I'll try to make this clear: 1. I DON"T WANT GOINS TO BE OUR STARTING 2B NEXT YEAR AS OF RIGHT NOW 2. I think Goins' defense is probably above average. 3. In the few ABs I've seen Goins has looked to have a good approach at the plate. (I know I said I hadn't watched a game in a month, but I have seen a few ABs of Goins and Gose in the last week.) 4. You guys are afraid that Goins will end up similar to Thames (AA pencils him in, he sucks). I still have some faith in AA, plus the two players aren't similar and I don't think its fair to evaluate the two situations as similar. 5. If AA can't sign/trade for a real 2B this offseason or he decides to use his money elsewhere (LF, C, SP...) and if he decides to fill 2B internally, then I think Goins should be considered, IF he continues to show something at the plate for the rest of the year. If Goins plays well enough to win the 2B job in ST, then I believe that AT WORST he will provide close to 0 WAR. This is a 2-3 win upgrade over what we got this year. I AM NOT OK WITH THAT. 6. I have a problem with you guys writing off a player before he even plays a game in the majors. Some of you without even seeing him. 7. I support all of the players on the Jays and hope they all surpass their expectations. (I would like the Jays to tank for the rest of the year though, so close losses). 8. If Goins is the starting 2B FOR THE RIGHT REASONS (We spent big money elsewhere [LF, C, SP], Goins played well enough to win the job in ST...ect.) I will be OK with it.

I think you'd agree that pitching was our problem this year. 11th in your precious wRC+ with 4 below replacement level positions.

When did I say I would accept it. I said worst case scenario that's what we get.

As I've said my main point in this thread is that you guys are writing off Goins too soon. That would make me open minded by giving him a chance. Pretty much the opposite.

Considering we got less than 0 WAR from 4 positions this year and still had a good offensive team I would say we can handle 0 WAR from our 2B as absolute worst case scenario.