theblujay

Dude, what?

Most ironic post if the year right here.

Ignorance bothers me

I'll be there

Unlike you I don't care what the forum council of elders think about me. I'm only trying to help before you find yourself applying for college and your best achievement is your post count and when they ask for a recommendation you can't think if anyone besides BTS and pals. I'm trying to save you from that moment when you finally stand up after a night of intense post count pumping and you realize that you're favorite place in the world is a message board.

I could copy paste the same paragraph to you, but your case is even more severe. Watching your transformation over the past year has been disgusting. From the first time you ripped on JP and you caught BTS's eye it's only gotten worse. The fact that you even write your posts with the same tone as BTS and sometimes even copy him and others is kind of embarrassing. The need for attention can be overwhelming I guess, but the fact that you towards a message board for validation is hilarious. That along with the fact that you think knowing basic SABR stats makes you some kind of kid genius makes your whole facade fascinating. I bet you're normal irl, but on here, oh boy.

You know it's obvious you're actually 15. You're so caught up in this board it's hilarious. You feel like you're "cool" because you know some basic advanced stats and rip on JPA daily. It must feel good to think you're part of the gang, and all you have to do is mindlessly copy everything they do. BTS is your idol and its gross. Half the time you don't even sound like a jays fan, more like a jays board fan. The best part is how you try to brush it all off with a sarcastic comment about being superior. You're so insecure about you're standing here that you don't even know what you're actually saying. You're trying to convince yourself that you're not what we're saying you are, and it's painfully obvious.

And there it is

You may think you do, but you don't run this place. It's ok though, a false sense of superiority is a common side effect of being in the inner circle of this board.

Not at all. High85 was a Red Sox fan. This guy is a jays fan as you can tell from this thread.

I will, if Cabrera wins ill be all over you

Exactly, the problem is when your in the hive it's almost impossible to realize what you're doing.

I think we have a good shot at the playoffs and I'll definitely stay positive. Oh yeah BTS you forgot to switch to your Boxcar account before beginning your personal attack brigade without anything constructive to the thread.

If Miggy doesn't win the MVP I will be very upset and I'll probably take it out on this thread.

It's gonna be funny when Syndergaard has a higher WAR than Dickey next year.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/9727380/end-season-mlb-awards-honoring-very-best-worst Oh boy. Here we go again. A year ago, in this very space, I did my darndest to explain why Mike Trout deserved this award, even over a real, live Triple Crown winner. And it came down to this: Miguel Cabrera may have had an offensive season for the ages, but Trout was a better baseball player. So why, a year later, am I about to brand myself as an official flip-flop artist and argue for why Cabrera ought to be the MVP? Yeah, yeah. I'm aware this comes down to basically the same conversation. But the context isn't the same -- because not every season presents us with the same set of circumstances. Now maybe you don't see it that way. A lot of really smart people don't. And I'm not here to say they're wrong, because face it: There is no wrong answer here. I wrote just last week about the greatness of Mike Trout. So no need to lecture me on that front. But can we stop for a moment to admire the brilliance of the other guy in this debate? Would that be OK? Cool. Because here are Miguel Cabrera's numbers, as of Friday morning: .345/.440/.637/1.077/44 HR You know how many hitters have matched or beaten those numbers since World War II? Exactly three: Barry Bonds, Mickey Mantle and Larry (Yes, He Played at Coors) Walker. And if we include RBIs (with Cabrera at 137 as we speak), nobody else has done it. You know the last right-handed hitter to put up that slash line, with that many home runs? That would be Jimmie Foxx. In 1938. And the only other men who have ever matched or beaten those stats in any era are Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig and Hack Wilson. Period. So this just in: Miguel Cabrera isn't just a really good hitter having a really good year. He's one of the greatest hitters who ever dug into a batter's box. And he's having a historically insane year, even as he plays through a groin/abdomen injury that has sapped him of his thunder (.246 in September, with just two extra-base hits). So what this debate comes down to, one more time, is how we define "valuable." My AL MVP ballot 1. Miguel Cabrera 2. Mike Trout 3. Chris Davis 4. Josh Donaldson 5. Robinson Cano 6. David Ortiz 7. Manny Machado 8. Evan Longoria 9. Adrian Beltre 10. Max Scherzer If there are bright people out there who believe the only definition of "valuable" is "value above a replacement player," they're allowed to see it that way. Or any way. But they don't have the right to demean anyone who sees this differently. The MVP conversation has always involved differentiating the most "valuable" player in the league from the most "outstanding" player. So I don't understand the logic that, apparently, we're no longer allowed to even contemplate the question, "Could this team possibly have won or contended if Player X hadn't been around to do his thing?" The fact is, while it's clearly not Trout's fault that the Angels have spent one day all season above .500, that's the cold reality. His team last played a meaningful game when? About Memorial Day? That wasn't the case last year. The Angels actually won more games than the Tigers. They weren't eliminated until the final weekend of the season. But this year has been a whole different deal. And if you don't believe it's more meaningful, and more pressure-packed, to be a difference-making player -- let alone a historically difference-making player -- on a team that has to grind for six months to win something, ask any player who has ever been there, done that. They know. And they don't need any decimal points to tell them. So this vote, one year later, goes to Miguel Cabrera. Not because I don't understand how special Mike Trout is. Because, after thinking this through long and hard, I'm allowed to come to a different conclusion after a very different season. AL Least Valuable Player (LVP): Josh Johnson and the Blue Jays Six months ago, I picked Josh Johnson to win the AL Cy Young Award. I picked the Blue Jays to win the AL East. I thought their monster trade with the Marlins was a stroke of genius. I even thought Melky Cabrera was a decent roll of the Ontario dice. So it's safe to say I'm in no position to dump on this team and its ultra-thoughtful GM, Alex Anthopoulos, for all the stuff that went wrong this year. But holy crappola. MY AL LVP ballot 1. Toronto Blue Jays 2. Josh Hamilton 3. Chris Young 4. Carlos Pena 5. Mike Moustakas Special two-team citation: Mike Morse Biogenesis Division: Nelson Cruz, Jesus Montero This outfit produced so many deserving LVP candidates, I had to let them share in this award. Johnson went 2-8 in 16 starts, made his fifth and sixth trips to the disabled list in the last seven seasons, killed the rotation, destroyed his free-agent marketability and became the second starter in the history of the franchise (joining Dave Lemanczyk) with an ERA (6.20) and WHIP (1.66) this ugly in this many innings. Melky had a .682 OPS, got four extra-base hits after May and then headed off for back surgery. Emilio Bonifacio and Maicer Izturis both had a sub-.600 OPS and combined for more errors (17) than steals (13). J.P. Arencibia hit .194, with a .229 OBP and 56 more strikeouts (147) than hits (91), and apparently wasn't real happy his broadcast team decided to mention that. He also helped the Jays become just the fourth team in the last 40 years to have three different catchers (Arencibia, Josh Thole, Henry Blanco) hit below the Mendoza Line (in 40-plus PA). And a rotation that was supposed to be their backbone wound up ranking 29th in the big leagues in ERA (4.80) and innings per start (5.57). Normally, the LVP award is an individual achievement. But these Blue Jays remind us that every once in a while, we need to pick out an entire group and ask: "What the heck just happened?"

Greenwood just basically said the same thing I said a page before.

These guys make it exciting to be a Jays fan. High praise for everyone on the list.

I know it's hard for you to understand, but there's more to winning a game then just adding up the stats.

I originally said I think you guys underestimate things like intangibles. And here you are doing it again. You tried to disprove what I'm saying by showing that two legendary players who weren't great teammates were on successful teams. I'm not talking about Cabrera, I'm talking about everyone. Those things I listed do matter, who knows what the how many runs it adds to the team. Who cares? We don't have to shove everything into stats, especially when it hard to quantify the effect.

Do you really want me to answer this? Here you go: By intangibles I mean things like clubhouse presence, leadership, team chemistry, relationship with coaches/fans, character/makeup...ect.

Good one!

Ok. All I was doing was pointing out a possibly flaw in WPA

I thought you were implying that in the two scenarios I made above that the superior player would benefit from having better ABs in the long run because their stats would normalize. How long do you think that would take?

You remind me of Spanky. Nothing to add, just ignoring the thread and looking to attack.