Laika

Posts like this are very head-in-the-sand. Toronto has consistently brought in high level talent over the last two years, both at the deadline and in the offseasons.

That stuff about the farm system makes sense. Toronto is not deep enough to comfortably make many of these trades. Like, the Yankees had nearly a dozen prospects in or around A+ that have decent potential so other teams want them but they are far enough away that the Yankees are not scared of trading them. Toronto has very very few of those types. When I was trying to find a comparable prospect to Hayden Wesneski, the closest I got was Jordan Groshans. By which I mean, for the Jays to get Effross hypothetically I think the Cubs would have asked for Tiedemann or Zulu or Groshans and maybe Groshans is the only one Toronto would even think of trading there. But Sem Robberse is clearly worse than Wesneski. Nobody wants to lose Tiedemann or Zulueta. But Toronto has very few prospects who are kind of like them but just a bit shittier. Like, Sem Robberse and Dahian Santos are not even close, for obvious reasons. Toronto's pitching pipeline is pretty reliant on Zulu + Tiedemann + Frasso all coming through. They kind of need to maintain them all in org for long term talent and budgetary reasons. Can't keep buying pitching.

Ross is out for his morning power walk He will return phone calls after he has his Ovaltine

Thor + Iglesias + cash For some stuff

Gore doesn't seem much better than replacement level in an 18 team league

You got offered Wander? Take

People here were telling me Vladdy is not worth a ten year extension right now Few weeks later old friend AA is giving Austin Riley guaranteed money until he's 35 Nuts

What the Orioles got in return is what makes this trade compelling for me. Johnson was the No. 58 prospect in the ZiPS Top 100 prior to the season, and both ZiPS and my colleague Eric Longehagen ranked him as Tampa’s second-best pitching prospect. Obviously, he’s a lot riskier given that he’s having Tommy John surgery, but he still represents real talent who could make an impact on the major league roster at some point, not a 27-year-old middle reliever in A-ball. And while Johnson will have to be added to the 40-man roster while he’s injured, I think he’s worth losing a spot. Baltimore also needs pitching depth in the minors, and McDermott, whom Eric recently valued as a 40 FV prospect, has real upside if his command issues can be ironed out. The Orioles got legitimate prospects for two months of an average hitter. To me, that’s worth modifying the 2022 playoff dream slightly. This is Fangraphs

Lmao no

Yeah I don't get this

I dunno, Mancini isn't awesome

Oh my

Issa joke

Oakland blows

Damn

Velocity is very trainable these days. It's not just a random thing that happens when someone has an increase - identifying which players would benefit from velo training is part of the puzzle

Collins useless but playoff teams roster Zimmer types all the time

Evidently Tiedemann was the better prospect, people just didn't see it

Value wise the Cubs would probably need Groshans from Toronto to top Wesneski

Effross is good the Yanks also gave up a good spect for him

What the f***

It doesn't help to get categorical like that. Control still matters for relief pitching, but since the volatility is higher is probably matters less than for other players. Still important though. Particularly control years BEFORE arb3 of course because many relievers aren't going to be held through an arb3 hearing even decent ones.

Toronto really benefiting from an easy schedule lately. It feels like they are not playing amazing but they are winning or splitting every series

A few reasons

Yeah his stuff is gone And he never could stay healthy So I think he's cooked I thought he was done over a year ago and traded him for Zach Davies in the LoD which looked terrible for one year but now looks okay