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He has been asked that question numerous times and he never denies it, just waltzes around the question.

Another question might be, if they keep Shapiro etal, what is it that they will do to improve this team? They arrived with lots of fancy speeches about a wave of talent and it has not shown up. What will they do that is different to improve the drafting and development of the farm system. If they havent been able to achieve these things in the past, what makes anyone think they are capable. So they wait two more years and give it another try, how will this improve the team, with ageing, declining assets. I believe Shapiro is gone at the end of his contract anyway. Shapiro has bigger ambitions, than little old Toronto.

Wow a break for the Jays

Wow has he ever lost a lot of weight

Firstly, qualifying for the post season now is easier than in the Jp era. This is not just a lack of RECENT post season success. Making an expanded playoff and getting booted out without winning a single game with one of the highest payrolls is not any type of success. The jays have done nothing in the Shapiro Era except disappoint.

I have never understood the adoration of Shapiro and Atkins. Shapiro did a remake of the stadium in Cleveland and when it was finished, attendance peaked and fell each year after. His team made it to the playoffs once. And they played in the central. He comes to TO with lofty promises and has certainly rebuilt Rogers centre. So what, the team managed to get to the playoffs and was bounced out in humiliating fashion. When he arrived, there was a core of young good players. Where has their success been. Who is drafting and who is in the minors that gives this team hope. Tiedemann,who is always injured. We have no one down there that could be traded to help this team. And to top it off, the Jays have one of the top payrolls. This team cannot hit this year, and couldnt hit last year. Bo looks like he is praying for a trade and Vladdy just looks lost. The Shapiro era is a total failure and is worse than the JP era. Fire Shatkins and let someone else rebuild this team. Waiting for another year accomplishes nothing. Shatkins has had 9 years, he doesn't deserve another year.

I know what each of their jobs entail, but after they are both finally fired, it will come out how much Shapiro actually had to do with trades, hires etc. if you read anything of his tenure in Cleveland, nothing happened without Shapiro being involved. He didnt come to Toronto to have less control

Sorry, but this started last june. I havent gone back and counted, but I think they lost 13 or 14 games last year by one run. This year they are losing by much bigger margins. Everyone knows this team is not improving. This is not just “oh well it is just a slump. The players on this team are not capable of turning this around, and there is not much coming in the minors. And this year I thought surely they would fix the offence, so the day the Mariners tickets came on sale for early buyers I spent $2800 on tix to take the kids and grands to see the jays. My grandson who is 7 loves Vladdy and the Jays and I promised I would take him to see him. Sorry to rant and usually I just read, but today has finally pushed me over the edge. I never for one minute thought they would go with the same team. NEVER

This is not about Schneider. This is about Shapiro and Atkins. They have built this team. When they had great offense a few years ago, they had a terrible bullpen. Took them two years to fix that. Then they lose in the playoffs because of their terrible defense, so they fix that by sacrificing offence. So now this is year two of a terrible offensive team and they did nothing to fix it. Under Shapiro’s reign with Cleveland he managed toget a team to win the central ONCE. He was a terrible hire, he was a big fish in a little pond and I hated the hire then, and nine or ten years later, I hate it even more. I never thought I would say this, but I hope the Jays continue to lose and all those lovely new seats with cupholders are empty and finally Rogers will step in and fire the lot.

And DONT let the crew that put together this mess anywhere near the rebuild.

Now that made me laugh out loud

She is there, kind of off to the right when looking at home plate

Thanks. I do remember him. I am probably one of the few that feels badly for Manoah.

Has anyone seen another pitcher with such promise fall off like this.

AA has had success both in TO and the Braves. Shapiro, longevity in Cleveland and TO, with very little success to speak of. The answer is always that AA stepped into a team with a great future and farm system and he would not have success once he had used someone else’s draft picks. But he has signed their stars to undervalue long-term deals, won a world series, and has a top rated team again. Shapiro has not signed any long term young stars. Maybe he will be proven right on Guerrero, but Bo should have been signed. I get the feeling Bo didnt sign because it was never offered. Doesnt matter, shapiro is an executive worrying about putting butts in seats. The wave of young talent never arrived, forcing the team to keep upping the payroll, and now 9 years later, we are hoping for luck and a resurgence from Ageing players. I dont mind missing playoffs, if you can see a path and a plan forward. But where is the plan. I saw the first game they ever played, have lived through JP years, watched thousands of games, and this is the most disappointed I have ever been. Whoever they hire to replace Shatkins has their work cut out for them.

He did choose to leave, but that was after Rogers had already offered Shapiro the presidents job with the final say on everything. Word was that Rogers had already decided to fire AA back in July and then they started their run to the playoffs, so now Rogers had a problem, so they offered him a contract, and then pretended they were sorry to see him leave to cover their butts. No way AA would stay and work for Shapiro under those conditions.

I will be thrilled to be proven wrong. But the team as it stands now, is an unlikeable, underachieving mess, and it was put together by a management group that doesnt know what it is doing. And if I am wrong, I will gladly buy you Swiss Chalet gift card.

If there had been a real effort to improve the offence, I would go along with that, but telling fans it was just bad luck and everyone would improve was just not going to cut it.

This is so difficult to watch, because you just know what this entire season is going to be like. Last year was the worst year I ever remember watching, and now we are getting it again, probably even worse.

Wow what a play

He is also a young guy who has had no father in his life, to help him when he struggled. He has had nothing but success And was treated quite differently than most rookies. He was miked up at the all star game for the first time, he was given the starting game by the Jays, when he shouldnt have had it. He was treated as “special” and like a lot of young men,he couldnt handle it. If he comes back this year with no improvement, then fine he wont be the first. But all this fat slob, and nasty criticism Shows more about the posters than it does about him.

Fangraphs had them 23 and pipeline had them 25.

Every site I checked had them ranked 23 or 25. Far cry from what was promised and not like they traded away anyone that affected the ranking except Moreno that was a top tier.

I dont think fans expect miracles, but they would like to see progression. Our payroll is probably at max or due for some regression, our farm system is in the bottom five in mlb, we have failed miserably in the playoffs and we are now facing another season where we are HOPING, for improvement from players that are another year older. We have no young players signed to long term contracts and will surely lose the ones we have for next to nothing. I would not be signing Bellinger, and Chappy could be an option if his price came down. Unfortunately, this team’s in a box, and there is going to have to be a complete start over and I just hope that Atkins has nothing to do with it. I would imagine Atkins is going to try one more time with status quo because he has no choice. Like all baseball fans you start the off season with the hope that your team improves. Last year was the worst most frustrating Jays team I can ever remember watching, and so far this off season isnt giving fans much hope for next year.

Someone should tell Atkins what is missing is OFFENSE