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Manoah looks like a damn fool

The issue is a systemic failure to identify young talent, develop it, and graduate it to the MLB roster. They've had almost 10 years now to develop a pipeline of talent and it hasn't happened. I have no idea what changes have to be made to address that. But they've been constantly forced to build their roster from MLB players acquired from outside the organization. And they've mostly done a pretty good job of it. But you can't continue to compete while getting zero impact talent internally.

This has been a very typical exchange on this forum. "lmao at Atkins fanboys thinking the Teo trade was good!" "actually the Teo trade was pretty good" "ATKINS SUCKS BRO!!" Like, yeah it doesn't look good for him. 100% of the forum understands that there has been a player development failure here and that it should/will probably cost him his job unless things turn around quick enough that the season can be salvaged. But there are things the current FO does really well, and trades have been one of them.

Kiermaier and Teo were equally valuable offensively last year.

Kiermaier was signed to replace Teo, and actually hit as well as Teo last year. Out WAR'd him 2.8 to 1.8. The trade actually netted Toronto: 1 WAR upgrade in the OF 1 WAR season from Swanson + 2024 and 2025 seasons from Swanson 2M in savings (Teo made 2M more than Swanson and Teo combined) Objectively a great trade

At least people have stopped complaining about losing Lourdes Gurriel

It's May 7th and the team currently has a -45 run differential. This is worst case scenario territory. A total clusterf***.

I love all of you equally

What will it take to move Springer and Bo down? Is Schneider even allowed to?

Like 80% of the posts on this forum boil down to "Remember the time when me, being smart, was right and you, being less smart than me, was wrong".

Brewers were mediocre to bad from 2013 to 2016. Their top picks from 2014 -2017 were Kodi Medeiros, Trent Clark, Corey Ray, and Keston Hiura. When they won 86 games in 2017 their best players were Jimmy Nelson, Chase Anderson, Travis Shaw, Domingo Santana, and Eric Thames. Later on, none of the their Burnes (111th in the draft), Peralta, Woodruff (326th) rotation that anchored the team were high picks. They've been successful because they make sound decisions at the MLB level and identify/develop pre-MLB talent well. Not because of the assets they collected over a lengthy rebuild. All that to say, sustained success in Toronto isn't going to depend on making a bunch of top 5 picks over a 4-5 year period, or collecting a bunch of blue chip prospects. It's going to come from making consistently good decisions at the MLB level (Toronto does this) and doing a great job identifying and developing young talent (Toronto doesn't do this). I have no idea what has to happen for Toronto to get better at developing talent. I have no idea if that's best accomplished via hires from the current President/GM or if someone has to come in from outside the org and change things wholesale from one of those big chairs.

You don't need to bottom-out for half a decade to win in this league if you have competent management and a loose purse from ownership. Look at the Brewers and Rays, who haven't tanked in almost 20 years. The Braves don't have an endless budget and they're probably in the middle of a 20+ year run of contention. The idea that you need to spend 5-6 years losing 100 games on a bottom-5 payroll is a lie from poorly-run teams with bad ownership. If Toronto decides to pivot off the current core, there's no reason not to be over 0.500 again by 2027.

I don't have a strong opinion of Atkins either way. He's probably a mid-tier GM, and if the season continues to go up in flames he should be replaced. But if you read this forum, you'd think that the league is run by by 28 elite teams of super-geniuses who stack their teams by consistently robbing Ross Atkins and whoever runs the Rockies. Then you'd see that the team has averaged 91 wins a year for the last three years and be a bit confused about how the worst organization baseball pulled that off. In reality Toronto has lost, what, like 2 trades in Atkins' tenure?

I can not even imagine the reaction on this forum if Atkins had guaranteed Bello and Rafaela $110M, wasted 40M on Giolito, or traded Chris Sale for Vaughn Grissom.

86 stuff+ and no command. Dude is going to get nuked every time out

With Vlad and Bo being so bad that nobody even wants the team to extend them, this is the AL San Francisco Giants. There is no core of impact talent in place. Unless the team goes out and gets Juan Soto or something, it probably makes sense to move the remaining vets, clear all payroll commitments, and reload for 2026 and beyond. But its a tough situation because Ross Atkins shouldn't be allowed to oversee the retool. If the team keeps losing, Shapiro needs to earn his pay and properly set the direction of the franchise, which should include replacing the head of baseball ops.

It doesn't look like a great situation, but they do have two things going for them: 1) nobody is signed past 2026 except Berrios, who would be traded anyway in a re-tool situation, and 2) ownership has shown a willingness to run a top-10 payroll. Things could turn around pretty quickly with a 2-year rebuild. But Ross Atkins shouldn't be allowed to oversee it, because if things get to that point in a few months he has failed at his job.

Can you guys please just not?

lol, good on him. I don't think I've ever seen a player have to intervene and suggest moving himself down in the lineup, but good on him.

It's ridiculous. I haven't even heard the SN team really comment on the elephant in the room during broadcasts

Both him and Bo should be hitting bottom third right now. It's pathetic to just keep running them out there in the top 4 and pretending like everything is Ok

So is Schneider just not allowed moving Bo down to the bottom third of the order? Is the media asking what's going on with him?

Ok, we've now reached gong show territory

My god I love Leafs game 7 playoff loss day every year

It's true. I'm just less disgusted by Springer because he's old and has been through a lot physically, and the team should have been reasonably prepared from him to fall off a cliff at this stage of his career.