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At least three of those guys aren't even assets.
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The difference between 10 and 20 was 27M. Bigger than the difference between 10 and 5. You can whine all you want about it being brought up, but one thing will never change: AA had a top-10 payroll to work with.
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I don’t even really consider Ross Atkins a real person.
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Jays payroll ranks over the last 4 years as per Spotrac 2014 - 9th 2015 - 10th 2016 - 10th 2017 - 4th (though I think this mishandles Upton) So no, I don’t think calling them a top-10 payroll team is misleading.
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I think it comes down to us disagreeing fundamentally with how impressive it is that he was able to briefly assemble a WS contender on a top-10 payroll. It seems more special than it is because the team spent the previous 20 years being either woefully mismanaged, or trying to compete on a paltry payroll (sometimes both). We’ve seen a lot of bad front offices enjoy short term success with money to spend and prospects to burn. I’m only impressed if you can sustain it.
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I’ll reiterate my issue: the team he built had a 2-year window to win. A collection of ageing vets with nothing resembling upper minors depth to provide cheap wins when those vets leave/decline. I’ll reiterate that I don’t think that’s a desiresble course for a team with their payroll. It looks a lot like what we’ve seen fail in Philadelphia, Detroit, New York, and soon enough, Boston.
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No, I don’t believe he should have traded them in their prime. This is a stupid post.
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Yeah. That’s my entire problem: he produced a core with a 2-year window. His core had two years together at its best before many of them either hit free agency or fell off a cliff. I don’t think that’s an acceptable plan for a team that has a top-10 payroll. I disagree fundamentally with that course. If Shatkins starts building around 30+ year olds on free agent contracts and ignoring spots 20-40 on the 40-man in order to open a 2-year window, I’ll call for their firing too.
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I don’t understand the confusion. Why do you believe that it’s logically inconsistent to say that AA left behind an old core and also say that re-signing Bautista last year was understandable? Also, the $60M anchor at shortstop is part of that core. You forgot him.
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I was just trying to be fair. The Bautista contract was completely understandable, and Pearce was an excellent move that to this point hasn’t worked out.
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It’s false that he left behind an old, expensive core on the brink of collapse? What is it you think you witnessed in 2017? This me it looked like an old, expensive core collapsing.
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Giving him full credit for 2016’s wild card team while pointing out that his old, expensive core breaking down was pretty much an inevitability seems pretty fair. Maybe you’re being a bit sensitive?
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Shatkins has done about as well as can be expected on the FA market. Some wins (Happ, Estrada, Smith, Smoak) and some losses (Morales, Bautista, Pearce). The writing was on the wall for this core.
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Well, we’re 8 full seasons from when he took over and his teams won a division title and wild card spot, and is now in the middle of a predictable down swing due to him going all in with old guys on big contracts. This minimal success despite being allowed a top-10 payroll. Those results are unacceptable. The team he assembled, given the assets available, was unacceptable. Bad GM.
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I bet someone gives Wade Davis over $40M.
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Kemp for Tulo. Get it done Shatkins.
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lol at MLBTR comments
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He had to sell the future and double the team’s payroll for two good seasons here. I’m not expecting much success in Atlanta.
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Earlier this season Grant said that Seattle's offense has been bad for a decade and nothing has changed. People pointed out that he was wrong. Rather than admit that he was wrong (in which case this exchange would have lasted 3 posts and been forgotten forever) he did what Grant does and doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on an argument that is objectively wrong.
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https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0,ts&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=16,d Let's try something Grant. Linked above you'll find all offenses ranked by their wRC+ over the last two seasons. You'll see that Seattle ranks in 2nd place. You'll also recall that you stated that they had a bad offense. Given the evidence presented, would you concede that you were mistaken? If so, please respond simply with "I was wrong" . Thx.
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Obligatory 'Get it done Shatkins'
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Very slow today
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What low-to-mid tier free agents do we want the team to be in on? Some names that I find interesting: C - Avila, Hundley, Iannetta INF - Walker, Cozart, Nunez OF - Dyson, Jackson, Gomez, Jay SP - Cobb, Garcia, Mikolas
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Roy Halladay dies in a Plane Crash...RIP
BTS replied to Cleveland Steamer's topic in Toronto Blue Jays Talk
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I hope they sign Cashner and Vargas.
