Blue Jays (Gausman) vs Twins (Ober): 4/30/26, 7:40pm

[jaysblue]

7 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

Breaking News:  Losing games could cost us at the end of the year 😎

 

It has before - like back in 2021. I know that triggers you.

The performances against the Rockies, White Sox, and Twins were extremely disappointing, especially considering they’re three of the worst teams in baseball. Obviously, you’re not going to win every game against them, but going a combined 2–8 against that group is unacceptable. No sugar-coating it.
 

[Brownie19]

1 minute ago, jaysblue said:

It has before - like back in 2021. I know that triggers you.

The performances against the Rockies, White Sox, and Twins were extremely disappointing, especially considering they’re three of the worst teams in baseball. Obviously, you’re not going to win every game against them, but going a combined 2–8 against that group is unacceptable. No sugar-coating it.
 

Losing games costs us every year.

[jaysblue]

2 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

1 inning isn't a great representation of the overall body of work.  The Jays remain a good defensive team.

Have you actually watched any other Blue Jays games this season? 😂

Nobody is arguing that the Jays aren’t a good defensive team, but they haven’t been nearly as sharp defensively as they were last season. They’re still very good overall, but there have been some sloppy mistakes this year that we really didn’t see as often last season, and a few of them have cost them games.

[jaysblue]

18 minutes ago, Brownie19 said:

Losing games costs us every year.

No kidding. The point isn’t that losses count against you - obviously they do every year.

The point is which losses. Going 2–8 against teams like the Rockies, White Sox, and Twins is exactly how you can potentially bury yourself over a season. Those are the games good teams are supposed to win more often than not.
 

[Brownie19]

28 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

No kidding. The point isn’t that losses count against you - obviously they do every year.

The point is which losses. Going 2–8 against teams like the Rockies, White Sox, and Twins is exactly how you can potentially bury yourself over a season. Those are the games good teams are supposed to win more often than not.
 

Thanks for clarifying.  I never knew that.

[Brownie19]

31 minutes ago, jaysblue said:

Have you actually watched any other Blue Jays games this season? 😂

Nobody is arguing that the Jays aren’t a good defensive team, but they haven’t been nearly as sharp defensively as they were last season. They’re still very good overall, but there have been some sloppy mistakes this year that we really didn’t see as often last season, and a few of them have cost them games.

The quote was literally "Remember when we had the best defense?"

The answer is that by the numbers, we still do have the best defense.  

Why is this so difficult for you?

[Olerud363.354]

1 hour ago, jaysblue said:

The point is which losses. Going 2–8 against teams like the Rockies, White Sox, and Twins is exactly how you can potentially bury yourself over a season. Those are the games good teams are supposed to win more often than not.

That is why the models quickly turned on them.  Those games were modeled as 7-3 or something, the entire season as 89 or so wins... when you go 2-8 in those it takes 5 wins off the projected win total. 

[jaysblue]

15 minutes ago, Olerud363.354 said:

That is why the models quickly turned on them.  Those games were modeled as 7-3 or something, the entire season as 89 or so wins... when you go 2-8 in those it takes 5 wins off the projected win total. 

It’s baseball. Nobody is saying the Rockies, White Sox, or Twins can’t beat the Jays, but going 2–8 against those teams was still really disappointing.

Even if they had just gone 5–5, it wouldn’t have been ideal, but it also wouldn’t have been nearly as bad, and we’d be looking at a 17–14 record instead.

I don’t really get why some people get so angry or triggered when you point out that going 2–8 against those teams was disappointing.
 

[Rynodb1]

6 hours ago, Brownie19 said:

1 inning isn't a great representation of the overall body of work.  The Jays remain a good defensive team.

Lmao I know dude. I was venting in the moment of some ugly defense. 

[Spanky__99]

On 4/30/2026 at 9:54 PM, Rynodb1 said:

Remember when we had the best defense?

Best in baseball...

 

#	Team	Pos	G	GS	Inn	Throwing	Blocking	Framing	Arm	Range	FRV
1	TOR	---	450	279	2481.0	1	1	6	0	6	14
2	BOS	---	393	279	2442.0	1	1	3	0	7	11
3	CHC	---	393	279	2484.0	-1	0	-2	2	10	10
4	STL	---	436	279	2520.0	1	-1	1	-1	7	10
5	KCR	---	418	279	2460.0	1	-1	2	1	5	8
6	ATL	---	424	288	2574.0	-2	0	1	0	8	8
7	CLE	---	428	288	2532.0	-1	-1	3	1	4	7
8	LAD	---	400	279	2466.0	0	0	-1	2	6	7
9	SDP	---	403	270	2412.0	1	0	0	1	2	6
10	ARI	---	416	270	2388.0	1	1	1	0	3	4
11	NYY	---	414	279	2472.0	-1	1	3	2	-1	3
12	ATH	---	439	279	2508.0	0	1	-2	1	3	2
13	SFG	---	395	279	2478.0	0	0	4	-1	-1	2
14	NYM	---	404	279	2505.0	1	0	0	0	0	1
15	CIN	---	473	279	2520.0	0	1	-1	-4	3	0
16	MIA	---	421	279	2445.0	-1	-2	-1	0	2	-1
17	MIL	---	431	270	2406.0	1	-2	-1	-2	2	-1
18	PHI	---	426	279	2478.0	1	0	4	0	-6	-1
19	PIT	---	471	288	2631.0	2	-1	1	0	-1	-1
20	TEX	---	418	279	2454.0	0	0	-2	1	0	-2
21	CHW	---	443	279	2490.0	0	-1	-1	0	-2	-3
22	BAL	---	423	279	2490.0	0	-1	2	0	-4	-4
23	COL	---	466	288	2532.0	-1	0	0	-2	-1	-4
24	HOU	---	446	288	2505.0	0	-1	-1	0	-4	-4
25	MIN	---	425	288	2520.0	-2	0	1	0	-4	-5
26	WSN	---	441	288	2601.0	-1	-1	3	1	-7	-5
27	DET	---	435	288	2478.0	1	1	2	-2	-12	-9
28	SEA	---	406	288	2559.0	2	1	0	1	-12	-9
29	TBR	---	410	270	2424.0	-1	0	1	0	-8	-10
30	LAA	---	455	288	2532.0	1	-1	-3	-3	-7	-11