2024 Trade Deadline

[jaysblue]

I don't think Bassitt moves the needle for immediate contenders. Probably wouldn't be a game 3 starter or impact RP. More of a guy that gets you there over 162

 

Agreed, though there are some contenders that could still use Bassitt to get them there over the last 60 or so games.

[Omar]

Agreed, though there are some contenders that could still use Bassitt to get them there over the last 60 or so games.

 

Well if that's the case then he basically only helps teams that are on the bubble. Those that are locked in already for the playoffs like the Yankees and the Orioles, he won't be much use for them if he can't start playoff games. I guess he could lighten the load along the way, but what are you willing to give up for that as an organization? I hope the Jays move him.

 

Maybe the Orioles take him because of his success against the Yankees?

[Jimcanuck]

I don't think Bassitt moves the needle for immediate contenders. Probably wouldn't be a game 3 starter or impact RP. More of a guy that gets you there over 162

 

Disagree. Many, if not all, contenders would want to have Bassitt.

[Laika]

Chris Bassitt would slot in on some current contenders here...

 

Orioles - SP3

Boston - SP3? Sort of tied for SP3 I guess.

Cleveland - SP2 or SP3

Astros - SP3 or SP4 if Verlander comes back.

Royals - SP3

Twins - SP3 tied with Ober?

Yankees - Hard one. He is sort of tied with all of Cortes, Gil, and Rodon after Cole.

Seattle - maybe SP6 lol

Rangers - SP2 tied with Scherzer

Atlanta - SP4 or SP5

Mets - SP3

Phillies - SP5

Brewers - SP2?

Cardinals - SP2?

Dbacks - SP3 or SP2

Dodgers - SP it f***ing depends who is healthy lol at the moment he's SP1

Padres - SP3 or SP4 depending on Darvish

 

 

Moves the needle on some times but not others. Admittedly he's not a huge upgrade for a lot of these times, like even he's SP3 it's by like 0.2 projected fWAR or 0.2 lower projected ERA or something like that.

 

He's a f***ing good insurance policy though.

[Joltin Joe]

My source isn't a lower level employee.

 

One of my friends brother-in-law is family friends with the Rogers CEO and has gone to a lot of Jays games this season in the boxes. Shapiro came in one game and he overheard him talking with the CEO.

 

Sure there is still the possibility that the the Jays out of nowhere move Bo or someone like Gausman, but that isn't in the plans at this time. Things could change obviously and something unexpected could definitely pop up closer to the deadline.

 

"It doesn't make sense for us to trade Bo or Vladdy right now."

Ross Atkins

The main bidder for Bo would be the Dodgers. Their farm system isn't as strong this season as it usual is. Bobby Miller has pulled an Alex Manoah or Rickey Romero. Lux and Vargas are having bad years. Teams don't match up at all in terms of a trade.

 

Jays better off wait to next season odds are Bo should bounce back. Be able to get much more a year from now. Jays get an extra year out of Bo. Teams that need a shortstop be in better position to offer more.

 

Vlad not moving. Outside a Soto type package. But that's not happening

[Jimcanuck]

The main bidder for Bo would be the Dodgers. Their farm system isn't as strong this season as it usual is. Bobby Miller has pulled an Alex Manoah or Rickey Romero. Lux and Vargas are having bad years. Teams don't match up at all in terms of a trade.

 

Jays better off wait to next season odds are Bo should bounce back. Be able to get much more a year from now. Jays get an extra year out of Bo. Teams that need a shortstop be in better position to offer more.

 

Vlad not moving. Outside a Soto type package. But that's not happening

 

Dodgers farm system is having a great year.

[Laika]

The main bidder for Bo would be the Dodgers. Their farm system isn't as strong this season as it usual is. Bobby Miller has pulled an Alex Manoah or Rickey Romero. Lux and Vargas are having bad years. Teams don't match up at all in terms of a trade.

 

Jays better off wait to next season odds are Bo should bounce back. Be able to get much more a year from now. Jays get an extra year out of Bo. Teams that need a shortstop be in better position to offer more.

 

Vlad not moving. Outside a Soto type package. But that's not happening

 

This is like, exactly wrong.

 

The fact that some dudes like Vargas are having bad years makes them trade bait.

 

The teams match up well because LA has too much depth to keep around long term and Toronto has a garage organization that needs everything

[Carlos Danger]

The main bidder for Bo would be the Dodgers. Their farm system isn't as strong this season as it usual is. Bobby Miller has pulled an Alex Manoah or Rickey Romero. Lux and Vargas are having bad years. Teams don't match up at all in terms of a trade.

 

Jays better off wait to next season odds are Bo should bounce back. Be able to get much more a year from now. Jays get an extra year out of Bo. Teams that need a shortstop be in better position to offer more.

 

Vlad not moving. Outside a Soto type package. But that's not happening

 

I just don't understand this wait until Bo bounces back next year.

 

It is not a solid risk based decision.

 

1. If another MLB baseball FO believes what the Jays apparently think, that Bo will bounce back, they would want him now, since they have two playoffs runs with him and the potential for him to be better 2nd half of this year. You would be getting MAX value now, not next year with 3 months left on a contract.

 

2. If our FO does not think Bo will bounce back, why keep him and lessen his already deflated value.

 

If our Team believes Bo will bounce back, I would assume other Teams would also.

 

Either scenario, Bo's value is the highest now, regardless, at any other timer it will be prior to reaching FA.

 

Trade Bo now. Bo is/was one of my favorite players on the Jays. However, the baseball business side of me, and I did it in fantasy also, says sell, sell, sell!

[connorp]

Chris Bassitt would slot in on some current contenders here...

 

Orioles - SP3

Boston - SP3? Sort of tied for SP3 I guess.

Cleveland - SP2 or SP3

Astros - SP3 or SP4 if Verlander comes back.

Royals - SP3

Twins - SP3 tied with Ober?

Yankees - Hard one. He is sort of tied with all of Cortes, Gil, and Rodon after Cole.

Seattle - maybe SP6 lol

Rangers - SP2 tied with Scherzer

Atlanta - SP4 or SP5

Mets - SP3

Phillies - SP5

Brewers - SP2?

Cardinals - SP2?

Dbacks - SP3 or SP2

Dodgers - SP it f***ing depends who is healthy lol at the moment he's SP1

Padres - SP3 or SP4 depending on Darvish

 

 

Moves the needle on some times but not others. Admittedly he's not a huge upgrade for a lot of these times, like even he's SP3 it's by like 0.2 projected fWAR or 0.2 lower projected ERA or something like that.

 

He's a f***ing good insurance policy though.

 

I’ve never been fired from a job because I make s*** happen until I get bored and move on. Well, after giving notice and removing filters from normal passive aggressive emails, I’ve gotten an ok to just move on.

 

Anyways, these aren’t robots and so I imagine coming home to his wife, he probably spends some time worrying about getting fired and the human element part of what’s next (not the same of course as a guy relying on his check next week)

It still effects a lot as there’s no guarantee you get the same high paying GM job, so could effect any plans to buy that 30y mortgage on second house, or boat

 

I think a guy like Bassist really brings that personal conflict to light. What’s best for the team, vs what’s best for you. You open up a pretty big hole there that exposes some “what a s*** show this is” once he’s gone, and what will the return be? Guys like Bassitt aren’t going to be things Atkins gets pressed on either. Like if he thinks it’s not in his best interest to move them, it wouldn’t be questioned like an expiring FA might be

[wilko]

I’ve never been fired from a job because I make s*** happen until I get bored and move on. Well, after giving notice and removing filters from normal passive aggressive emails, I’ve gotten an ok to just move on.

 

Anyways, these aren’t robots and so I imagine coming home to his wife, he probably spends some time worrying about getting fired and the human element part of what’s next (not the same of course as a guy relying on his check next week)

It still effects a lot as there’s no guarantee you get the same high paying GM job, so could effect any plans to buy that 30y mortgage on second house, or boat

 

I think a guy like Bassist really brings that personal conflict to light. What’s best for the team, vs what’s best for you. You open up a pretty big hole there that exposes some “what a s*** show this is” once he’s gone, and what will the return be? Guys like Bassitt aren’t going to be things Atkins gets pressed on either. Like if he thinks it’s not in his best interest to move them, it wouldn’t be questioned like an expiring FA might be

 

Verbal diarrhea.

[connorp]

Verbal diarrhea.

 

Jane run. Jane jump. Anytime you go past that, you’re going to lose a lot of people, but it is what it is.

[L54]

Dodgers are ripe for the picking because they have like 10 guys on the 60 day IL, which means eventually they’re going to have to make room on the 40

 

Miguel Vargas

Andy Pages

Justin Wrobleski

Michael Grove

Kyle Hurt

 

All guys on the 40 who are fringe ish

[L54]

Plus he has an extra year of control at a reasonable cost.

 

Bassitt is an arm that could help one of those teams in the Postseason and even during a 162 game season given his durability.

 

I don't think Bassitt moves the needle for immediate contenders. Probably wouldn't be a game 3 starter or impact RP. More of a guy that gets you there over 162

 

Agreed, though there are some contenders that could still use Bassitt to get them there over the last 60 or so games.

 

Hmm

[L54]

Chris Bassitt would slot in on some current contenders here...

 

Orioles - SP3

Boston - SP3? Sort of tied for SP3 I guess.

Cleveland - SP2 or SP3

Astros - SP3 or SP4 if Verlander comes back.

Royals - SP3

Twins - SP3 tied with Ober?

Yankees - Hard one. He is sort of tied with all of Cortes, Gil, and Rodon after Cole.

Seattle - maybe SP6 lol

Rangers - SP2 tied with Scherzer

Atlanta - SP4 or SP5

Mets - SP3

Phillies - SP5

Brewers - SP2?

Cardinals - SP2?

Dbacks - SP3 or SP2

Dodgers - SP it f***ing depends who is healthy lol at the moment he's SP1

Padres - SP3 or SP4 depending on Darvish

 

 

Moves the needle on some times but not others. Admittedly he's not a huge upgrade for a lot of these times, like even he's SP3 it's by like 0.2 projected fWAR or 0.2 lower projected ERA or something like that.

 

He's a f***ing good insurance policy though.

 

Right. He is insurance on this year and next. Durable and if you had to hand him the ball for game 3 of the divisional series or whatever it wouldn’t be the end of the world

[Laika]

Dodgers are ripe for the picking because they have like 10 guys on the 60 day IL, which means eventually they’re going to have to make room on the 40

 

Miguel Vargas

Andy Pages

Justin Wrobleski

Michael Grove

Kyle Hurt

 

All guys on the 40 who are fringe ish

 

Exactly and you can even expand this list

 

They have a 40-man tsunami on the way this season and offseason and NEED to clear a lot of pieces out

 

Miguel Vargas - MLB, struggling, young

Andy Pages - MLB, young, doing just okay 101 wRC+

Justin Wrobleski - 88 stuff+ for the 23 year old rookie

Michael Grove - 27 years old, decent stuff+ but not really for a mostly reliever

Kyle Hurt - another old rookie, missed a lot of bats in the minors but stuff+ doesn't love it

Gavin Lux - MLB, sucks, couple years of control left

James Outman - MLB, 27, sucking, projections are decent though

Landon Knack - 102 stuff+ for the 26 year old rook

Gavin Stone - good numbers, okay stuff+ 98, 25 year old rookie

Buehler - got rocked now on the 15 day IL

Dustin May - 60 day IL, offseason 40 man issue

Sheehan - TJS

Yamamoto - 60 day IL

Gonsolin - under control through 2026 I think, 60 day IL right now

Graterol - on rehab will soon come off the 60 day IL

Connor Brogdon - on 60 day IL with plantar fascitis but has been a good hard throwing RP in the past, still some control

Bobby Miller - MANOAH'd!!!!!!! stuff was there, not sure what the f*** his issue was

Frasso - on the 40 man and down again

River Ryan - will they add him to the 40 man SOON because of team needs? more cloggin

 

Dalton Rushing, Thayron Liranzo, Diego Cartaya - these are all MiLB catchers with top 100 hype and I believe only Cartaya is on the 40 man. Not sure if Rushing needs to be added this offseason. Either way, they have some C prospect depth to deal.

 

 

I am expecting the Dodgers to deal several of those guys along with prospects and other pieces.

[Joltin Joe]

My source isn't a lower level employee.

 

One of my friends brother-in-law is family friends with the Rogers CEO and has gone to a lot of Jays games this season in the boxes. Shapiro came in one game and he overheard him talking with the CEO.

 

Sure there is still the possibility that the the Jays out of nowhere move Bo or someone like Gausman, but that isn't in the plans at this time. Things could change obviously and something unexpected could definitely pop up closer to the deadline.

 

I just don't understand this wait until Bo bounces back next year.

 

It is not a solid risk based decision.

 

1. If another MLB baseball FO believes what the Jays apparently think, that Bo will bounce back, they would want him now, since they have two playoffs runs with him and the potential for him to be better 2nd half of this year. You would be getting MAX value now, not next year with 3 months left on a contract.

 

2. If our FO does not think Bo will bounce back, why keep him and lessen his already deflated value.

 

If our Team believes Bo will bounce back, I would assume other Teams would also.

 

Either scenario, Bo's value is the highest now, regardless, at any other timer it will be prior to reaching FA.

 

Trade Bo now. Bo is/was one of my favorite players on the Jays. However, the baseball business side of me, and I did it in fantasy also, says sell, sell, sell!

You're not going to get much. You'll be selling Bo at a low. He's having his career worst year. Why the Jays have stated they aren't trading him. He will bounce back next season and have good trade value.

[Joltin Joe]

My source isn't a lower level employee.

 

One of my friends brother-in-law is family friends with the Rogers CEO and has gone to a lot of Jays games this season in the boxes. Shapiro came in one game and he overheard him talking with the CEO.

 

Sure there is still the possibility that the the Jays out of nowhere move Bo or someone like Gausman, but that isn't in the plans at this time. Things could change obviously and something unexpected could definitely pop up closer to the deadline.

 

Dodgers farm system is having a great year.

Lol. Yeah who?

[Spanky99]

Well then...

[Laika]

You're not going to get much. You'll be selling Bo at a low. He's having his career worst year. Why the Jays have stated they aren't trading him. He will bounce back next season and have good trade value.

 

It's not a given that he bounces back (enough to have big trade value at least) and it's not a given that there would be a huge market for him next year.

 

The market for shortstops at the trade deadline isn't always super liquid. Sometimes the contenders all have their SS horses in place.

 

All of the projection systems still think he's a good baseball player, that means all of the internal team projection systems probably agree.

 

If there are SS buyers this year, the Jays would be foolish to not consider dealing him.

[Spanky99]

Exactly and you can even expand this list

 

They have a 40-man tsunami on the way this season and offseason and NEED to clear a lot of pieces out

 

Miguel Vargas - MLB, struggling, young

Andy Pages - MLB, young, doing just okay 101 wRC+

Justin Wrobleski - 88 stuff+ for the 23 year old rookie

Michael Grove - 27 years old, decent stuff+ but not really for a mostly reliever

Kyle Hurt - another old rookie, missed a lot of bats in the minors but stuff+ doesn't love it

Gavin Lux - MLB, sucks, couple years of control left

James Outman - MLB, 27, sucking, projections are decent though

Landon Knack - 102 stuff+ for the 26 year old rook

Gavin Stone - good numbers, okay stuff+ 98, 25 year old rookie

Buehler - got rocked now on the 15 day IL

Dustin May - 60 day IL, offseason 40 man issue

Sheehan - TJS

Yamamoto - 60 day IL

Gonsolin - under control through 2026 I think, 60 day IL right now

Graterol - on rehab will soon come off the 60 day IL

Connor Brogdon - on 60 day IL with plantar fascitis but has been a good hard throwing RP in the past, still some control

Bobby Miller - MANOAH'd!!!!!!! stuff was there, not sure what the f*** his issue was

Frasso - on the 40 man and down again

River Ryan - will they add him to the 40 man SOON because of team needs? more cloggin

 

Dalton Rushing, Thayron Liranzo, Diego Cartaya - these are all MiLB catchers with top 100 hype and I believe only Cartaya is on the 40 man. Not sure if Rushing needs to be added this offseason. Either way, they have some C prospect depth to deal.

 

 

I am expecting the Dodgers to deal several of those guys along with prospects and other pieces.

 

Ryan's supposed to be called on this weekend. The Dodgers are a perfect trade partner with the Birds.

[Spanky99]

It's not a given that he bounces back (enough to have big trade value at least) and it's not a given that there would be a huge market for him next year.

 

The market for shortstops at the trade deadline isn't always super liquid. Sometimes the contenders all have their SS horses in place.

 

All of the projection systems still think he's a good baseball player, that means all of the internal team projection systems probably agree.

 

If there are SS buyers this year, the Jays would be foolish to not consider dealing him.

 

From MLBTR...

 

We released our first iteration of the Top 50 trade candidates last week. It was a broadly pitching-heavy list, with 30 of the spots occupied by pitchers. Especially striking is the lack of middle infield talent that'll clearly be available. We listed just four middle infielders among that Top 50.

 

One of those players, Jazz Chisholm Jr., hadn't actually played an inning in the infield since 2022 at the time of that writing. The Marlins have since begun getting him second base work in an apparent effort to showcase his defensive flexibility for interested teams. Bo Bichette made the back of the Top 50 because he's a marquee name, but the Blue Jays haven't suggested a willingness to deal key players whom they control beyond this season. He's still a long shot to move. The other two middle infielders to make the list: Paul DeJong and Brendan Rodgers, each of whom is at best a low-end regular.

 

[Brownie19]

What is Miller's stuff+ this year? Manoah's fell off the table last year....if he really Manoah's?

[Jimcanuck]

Lol. Yeah who?

 

Not gonna bother, you are clueless.

 

Baseball America has the Orioles and Dodgers as the top two farm systems.

 

I could name prospects in the Dodgers system like depaula and many others, but not gonna waste more time on an eejit.

[Barrelsandbombs]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2024/07/looking-at-the-blue-jays-and-the-competitive-balance-tax.html

 

Looking At The Blue Jays And The Competitive Balance Tax

By Darragh McDonald | July 18, 2024 at 3:35pm CDT

 

This isn’t the Blue Jays’ year. Though they played at roughly a 90-win pace over the 2020-23 seasons, things have fallen apart here in 2024. They are 44-52, putting them 9.5 games out of a playoff spot and with several teams blocking their path. Unless they crack off an 11-game winning streak between now and the deadline, they’ll be looking to do some selling in the coming weeks.

 

Crazier things have happened but the odds are against them. The Playoff Odds at FanGraphs give them just a 2% chance of a miracle postseason berth while the PECOTA Standings at Baseball Prospectus are only slightly more optimistic at 3.9%.

 

Recent reporting has suggested the Jays are willing to deal rental players but may stop there. Some have floated players like Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero Jr. as potential trade candidates, with each controllable through the 2025 season, but general manager Ross Atkins seemed to shoot down that possibility. Last month, he said that trading those guys “just doesn’t make any sense for us.”

 

In general, it seems the club is hoping to contend again in 2025. That leaves them with six rental players they could trade between now and the July 30 deadline, as each of Justin Turner, Kevin Kiermaier, Danny Jansen, Yusei Kikuchi, Yimi García and Trevor Richards are slated for the open market at season’s end. Naturally, each player will have different trade value based on his skill level but also his contract.

 

One question that the front office will need to answer is whether they will prioritize shedding salaries and getting under the competitive balance tax or focus more on prospect returns, eating some money in order to tip the scales that way. The Mets demonstrated the latter path last year, as they swallowed significant portions of the money owed to both Max Scherzer and Justin Verlander in order to bring back larger prospect hauls.

 

Both Roster Resource and Cot’s Baseball Contracts are pretty close in estimating Toronto’s current CBT number. RR has them just over $247MM with Cot’s a tad higher at $250MM. Those are just estimates but they’re likely pretty close, so the Jays would have to subtract $10-15MM in order to limbo under the lowest tax threshold of $237MM.

 

They won’t be able to shed any player’s full salary from their CBT number as the season is already more than half over, but they could shed portions. For example, if a player has a CBT hit of $20MM and is traded at the midway point of the season, $10MM of that would stay on the trading club’s books and the other half would transfer to the acquiring club. That’s assuming no cash considerations were involved in the deal.

 

It’s also worth pointing out that a player’s CBT hit is based on the average annual value of his contract, not the salary. The baseball season is 187 days long and there are 73 left to go, roughly 39%. By the deadline, that will be down to 61 days or 32.6%. Let’s take a rough outline of where those six rental players stand:

 

Turner: $13MM CBT hit for the year, $5.07MM remaining today, $4.24MM at deadline

Kikuchi: $12MM, $4.68MM, $3.91MM

Kiermaier: $10.5MM, $4.1MM, $3.42MM

Garcia: $6MM, $2.34MM, $1.96MM

Jansen, $5.2MM, $2.03MM, $1.7MM

Richards: $2.15MM, $839K, $700K

As of today, those six players combine for a CBT hit of roughly $19.06MM, with that number set to drop to $15.93MM by the deadline. Though it would be tight, it’s certainly possible they could duck under the tax this year.

 

Doing so would come with certain benefits, though the tax savings would be minimal. The Jays paid the tax for the first time last year and are currently on pace to be a second-time payor. That only comes with a 30% tax rate, meaning they’re currently slated to pay in the range of $3-4MM in taxes.

 

That’s a drop in the bucket for a major league team but there would be other arguments for ducking under. If the Jays did pay the tax this year and again in 2025, they would be a third-time payor next year, which would bump their tax rate to 50%. Whereas ducking under the line this year would reset their status and allow them to go into 2025 as a “first-time” payor and have a base rate of just 20%. That feels significant but still leads to fairly modest tax savings. For example, going $30MM over next year’s base threshold would lead to either a $6MM or $15MM tax bill, depending on whether they are paying a 20% or 50% rate.

 

Perhaps more importantly, if they signed a player in the offseason that had rejected a qualifying offer, they would face a lesser penalty by avoiding the tax. A tax-paying club surrenders $1MM in international bonus pool space as well as its second- and fifth-highest picks in the next draft when signing a QO player. Avoiding the tax changes that to just $500K in bonus money and just the second-highest pick.

 

They would also increase what they receive if a player rejects a QO and signs elsewhere. Tax payors receive a pick after the fourth round if a QO player signs elsewhere, whereas it’s the start of the third if they avoid the tax. The Jays have a couple of potential QO candidates in Jansen and Kikuchi but the QO consideration would be moot if they get traded.

 

But as mentioned, the Jays could just forget about the tax and focus on getting the best prospects they can. The Cubs are reportedly interested in Jansen but they would probably rather give up a better return while having the Jays keep their money on their books. The Cubs seemingly want to avoid the tax themselves and Roster Resource currently has them just under $234MM. They have a well-regarded farm system and might lean towards subtracting from that, as opposed to taking on money at the deadline. It may be similar with other teams, such as the Padres. Roster Resource has them at $225MM and they seem to want to stay under the tax as well. They need pitching and may be interested in someone like Kikuchi, but they may not want to take on his money/CBT hit.

 

Other teams will be in the opposite position. A team such as the Tigers, as an example, might be looking for more offense. If they were to inquire about Turner, they would probably prefer to take on the money and not give up prospect talent. They are nowhere near the tax line and their real payroll is well below their past spending levels. Since they are seven games out of the playoffs, they might be willing to take on a bit of cash in order to bolster their club for a long-shot postseason push, as opposed to surrendering young players and hurting themselves in future seasons.

 

What the Jays are able to do will ultimately depend on what kind of offers are coming their way, as they don’t operate in a vacuum. They already know that no club is willing to take on all of Kiermaier’s contract, as they made him freely available on waivers recently and didn’t get any takers. Perhaps someone would be interested in him as a speed-and-defense fourth outfielder if the Jays ate some of his deal, but getting all of the remainder of his contract off the books doesn’t appear to be an option.

 

Depending on the circumstances of their trading partners, they may have to strike a balance, with some deals focused on cost savings and others on maximizing the return in terms of talent. If that leaves them still a hair over the tax line, they could consider moving non-rental players, with Chad Green arguably the best option there. He is under contract through 2025 but has a $10.5MM CBT hit, same as Kiermaier, giving the Jays a chance to scrub another few million from their CBT number. Doing so would hurt their 2025 bullpen but they might feel they could easily replace Green’s production via an offseason signing. With bullpen help generally in demand at the deadline, Green should garner interest.

 

Guys like George Springer, Chris Bassitt and Kevin Gausman all have CBT hits of $21MM or more. The Jays could try to find takers for those but Springer is 34 years old and having a rough season, which would tamp down interest. Dealing either Bassitt or Gausman would hurt next year’s rotation, which is perhaps the club’s best argument for trying to compete again in 2025, as they could go into the offseason with a front four of Gausman, Bassitt, José Berríos and Yariel Rodríguez on paper.

 

Isiah Kiner-Falefa could be another option as he is under contract through 2025 and has a $7.5MM CBT hit. He is having the best season of his career but has been on the injured list since the start of this month with a left knee sprain. He can still be traded while on the IL but his health status will impact his trade value.

 

Ultimately, there are many moving parts here, part of the reason why the Jays will be an interesting club to watch in the weeks to come. Most of the sellers at this year’s deadline will be focused on the long term, as clubs like the White Sox and Marlins are in really rough shape in the present. That will make their deadline priorities rather straightforward, as they will be simply looking to acquire as much future talent as possible.

 

But the Blue Jays will likely be balancing several different concerns. They will be looking to give up some talent, but not in a way that significantly harms their chances of competing again next year. They could focus on acquiring as much talent as they can right now or they could limbo under the tax line, giving them more freedom to acquire talent in the offseason. One way or another, Atkins and his crew will be looking to turn a lost season into something that can help them down the line, though there are many different ways they could try to accomplish that.

[Spanky99]

What is Miller's stuff+ this year? Manoah's fell off the table last year....if he really Manoah's?

 

It's right on his page in FG, dude. It's good.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/bobby-miller/27483/stats?position=P#stuff+

[glory]

The luxury tax issue is going to be interesting to watch. Paying the tax and dealing with the penalties for a team as bad as the 2024 team would be foolish. However, no one is taking Turner and KK's salaries, and the Jays want to repeat 2018 by pretending to contend next season so they won't be dealing anyone who is controllable beyond this season. I can't see how they get under the tax just by trading Kooch, Garcia, Richards, and Jansen. They won't be trading Bassitt no matter how much sense that makes. The only other option is probably Chad Green but I don't see his $10.5m salary in 2025 being an asset right now. He seems like a 2025 trade deadline piece.

 

This team paid an obese DH $2m to play once a week, so maybe they deserve whatever the get. Sad that the two biggest FA pickups this season are players other teams wouldn't take for free (Turner/KK). Maybe some team would have taken IKF if he was healthy, but will be harder to trade him when he's hurt. If a team is willing to take him though, make the damn deal.

[Brownie19]

It's right on his page in FG, dude. It's good.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/bobby-miller/27483/stats?position=P#stuff+

 

Thanks friendo...I never knew Fangraphs added that!

[Laika]

It was always there but they made it much easier to navigate to in their update

[Spanky99]

It was always there but they made it much easier to navigate to in their update

 

Yeah, in a Pitch Design or Development tab or something like that, this is a far better layout.

[Laika]

Okay forget about a Bichette trade

 

He has chronic leg soft tissue issues I guess

 

He's a 34 year old Josh Donaldson already