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[jaysblue]

^^Which is why people have suggested trading Manoah before he has zero value

 

Some posters on here still value Manoah quite highly. As well, do you know where the Jays stand with Manoah? Do they think he could bounce back in 2024?

 

How about Vladdy as well? If he has another 1 WAR season in 2024, will Laika criticize Atkins for riding his biggest asset at one point into the ground where he is worth nothing?

[Spanky__99]

^^Which is why people have suggested trading Manoah before he has zero value

 

Also, what does any of this have to do with Atkins, lol???

[jaysblue]

Also, what does any of this have to do with Atkins, lol???

 

Laika stated the Braves rode 3-4 assets into the ground before trading them when their value was higher. I countered and asked are they the only team who that applies to?

 

If the Blue Jays decide to keep Manoah for 2024 in hopes he bounces back, but doesn't, isn't that mismanagement as well? How is that any different than the Soroka situation? Manoah's value isn't that high right now to begin with, so I understand if the Jays FO wants to take the chance on Manoah bouncing back and rebuilding his value. Would rather hold onto Manoah for another year than trade him for a way inferior player or package. No different than what the Braves did with Soroka.

 

Every team sometimes rides an asset or assets to where they're worth nothing. It happens. It's not just an Atlanta thing.

[BigCecil]

Lopez is a 73 wRC+ bat in 2000 PAs with a D based '21 outlier 6 WAR season. I don't think any team perceives his value as very high.

[jaysblue]

Lopez is a 73 wRC+ bat in 2000 PAs with a D based '21 outlier 6 WAR season. I don't think any team perceives his value as very high.

 

GM Chris Getz knew something the other 29 teams didn't. He's a genius for acquiring a 6 WAR infielder with 6 career home runs in close to 2000 PA's! Atlanta's phone should have been ringing off the hook!

[Spanky__99]

Laika stated the Braves rode 3-4 assets into the ground before trading them when their value was higher. I countered and asked are they the only team who that applies to?

 

If the Blue Jays decide to keep Manoah for 2024 in hopes he bounces back, but doesn't, isn't that mismanagement as well? How is that any different than the Soroka situation? Manoah's value isn't that high right now to begin with, so I understand if the Jays FO wants to take the chance on Manoah bouncing back and rebuilding his value. Would rather hold onto Manoah for another year than trade him for a way inferior player or package. No different than what the Braves did with Soroka.

 

Every team sometimes rides an asset or assets to where they're worth nothing. It happens. It's not just an Atlanta thing.

 

That's not what happened.

 

Manoah's only one dude, and most here want him traded.

Edited December 2, 2023 by Spanky99

[Spanky__99]

Lopez is a 73 wRC+ bat in 2000 PAs with a D based '21 outlier 6 WAR season. I don't think any team perceives his value as very high.

 

Laika's a Nicky Lopez fanboy, watchout!

[jaysblue]

That's not what happened.

 

Manoah's only one dude, and most want here want him traded.

 

How about Nate Pearson who pretty much is worth nothing now? Should have traded him 3-4 years ago when he was a top prospect! If he's non tendered or traded for pennies this offseason, oh my!

 

What about Vladdy if he turns out another 1 WAR season in 2024? Or Kirk if he doesn't bounce back?

 

I hope Laika is as vocal and critiques this FO the same if they ride these assets to the point where they are worth nothing.

[Spanky__99]

How about Nate Pearson who pretty much is worth nothing now? Should have traded him 3-4 years ago when he was a top prospect! If he's non tendered or traded for pennies this offseason, oh my!

 

What about Vladdy if he turns out another 1 WAR season in 2024? Or Kirk if he doesn't bounce back?

 

I hope Laika is as vocal and critiques this FO the same if they ride these assets to the point where they are worth nothing.

 

Dude's PIST!!!

[L54]

WOW I can’t believe AA was able to steal a-Ron Bummmmmer from Chicago

[Jimcanuck]

How about Nate Pearson who pretty much is worth nothing now? Should have traded him 3-4 years ago when he was a top prospect! If he's non tendered or traded for pennies this offseason, oh my!

 

What about Vladdy if he turns out another 1 WAR season in 2024? Or Kirk if he doesn't bounce back?

 

I hope Laika is as vocal and critiques this FO the same if they ride these assets to the point where they are worth nothing.

 

Shatkins are trying to deal Manoah

 

Shatkins has traded many prospects before they lost all value, Groshans, Austin Martin, Simeon, etc

 

This is really about 40 man roster management. Shatkins has been quite adept at it, AA has historically not been.

[Laika]

I guess the Braves are the only organization who ride assets to the point where they are worth nothing?

 

If Manoah doesn't rebound in 2024, can we say the same thing about Atkins if he non-tenders or trades away Manoah for pennies in 2025? Jays could trade Manoah now, but then you'll have people saying don't trade him when his value is this low. How is that any different with Soroka?

 

How about Nate Pearson? Julian Merryweather?

 

That's not a counter argument

 

Every team does it

 

AA just did it spectacularly and at volume

[Spanky__99]

Why is this hard?

[L54]

Why is this hard?

 

That’s what she said

[Spanky__99]

Oof... I forgot about the trade the next day to the Royals, Wright and Anderson for Kowar and cash, lol. That's a lot of dude's man.

[BigCecil]

That’s what she said

 

The joke that never...ever gets old!

[jaysblue]

That's not a counter argument

 

Every team does it

 

AA just did it spectacularly and at volume

 

Nah you just despise and hold a grudge against AA for something.

[Jimcanuck]

Nah you just despise and hold a grudge against AA for something.

 

There it is, the weak sauce. Take the L.

[jaysblue]

There it is, the weak sauce. Take the L.

 

He does but not going to mention why.

 

All I said is that a lot of teams go through roster crunches and mismanage assets by either holding onto them for too long and not trading them at the opportune time. The Braves aren't the only team. Tell me how I should take the L on that one?

[Jimcanuck]

He does but not going to mention why.

 

All I said is that a lot of teams go through roster crunches and mismanage assets by either holding onto them for too long and not trading them at the opportune time. The Braves aren't the only team. Tell me how I should take the L on that one?

 

AA just did it spectacularly and at volume

[jaysblue]

AA just did it spectacularly and at volume

 

I guess you and Laika still have nightmares of his Marlins deal in 2013.

 

What other trades did he make with Atlanta that fit the bill of running assets into the ground? Since he does it "spectacularly and at volume" can't wait to see a huge list!

[Laika]

Nah you just despise and hold a grudge against AA for something.

 

I'll take the win here

 

Have a nice weekend

[Spanky__99]

[Laika]

Oof... I forgot about the trade the next day to the Royals, Wright and Anderson for Kowar and cash, lol. That's a lot of dude's man.

 

Yeah man

 

Completely f***ed series of moves

[L54]

I guess you and Laika still have nightmares of his Marlins deal in 2013.

 

What other trades did he make with Atlanta that fit the bill of running assets into the ground? Since he does it "spectacularly and at volume" can't wait to see a huge list!

 

Can’t wait to see where anyone said there was a huge list!

[L54]

Trades 9 players for a lefty reliever

 

Wow he traded them all at peak value to acquire Aaron Bummer. A masterclass in GM’ing

[MikeM3]

Gotta throw the s*** overboard when trying to win a chip.

[Frenchsoup]

To get a high end lefty on that Braves team like Aaron Bummer really gives them some upside in the pen

[Frenchsoup]

Minters pretty solid but Bummer can knockout some hitters im thinking. Gives me Andrew Miller vibes...

[Spanky__99]

Dodgers re-sign Joe Kelly on a year deal, likely 5M I'd think? They refused his option @9.5 and bought him out at a million.