Toronto fans are a class act!

[connorp]

Well, Sammy is cooked. That’s like Tatis saying he didn’t positive. You did or you didn’t. MLB decides that, not Sammy

 

Big Mac should’ve spent his life pleading the 5th at least. He caved, so retroactively you could apply the wipeout.

 

Barry I don’t remember all the details. His would be more cloudy even though the circumstantial evidence like big helmet size change, make it plain as day

[Laika]

Well, Sammy is cooked. That’s like Tatis saying he didn’t positive. You did or you didn’t. MLB decides that, not Sammy

 

Big Mac should’ve spent his life pleading the 5th at least. He caved, so retroactively you could apply the wipeout.

 

Barry I don’t remember all the details. His would be more cloudy even though the circumstantial evidence like big helmet size change, make it plain as day

 

But Sammy tested positive in 2003. He didn't set any records that year.

 

The timing is important if you are talking about wiping records.

 

There probably WERE guys who were clean until their 30s but then started taking drugs when their talents were withering away.

[connorp]

But Sammy tested positive in 2003. He didn't set any records that year.

 

The timing is important if you are talking about wiping records.

 

There probably WERE guys who were clean until their 30s but then started taking drugs when their talents were withering away.

 

Yeah it’s a solid point about guys using later on. Anyways, just giving both sides.

[connorp]

But still, may be a good deterrent. Kind of life HOF.

 

Do you want to risk your legacy and records to try to hang on into your 30’s, like say Cano

[Laika]

But still, may be a good deterrent. Kind of life HOF.

 

Do you want to risk your legacy and records to try to hang on into your 30’s, like say Cano

 

Yeah and that is literally the deterrent for gambling stuff. Lifetime ban from the institution.

[Omar]

But Sammy tested positive in 2003. He didn't set any records that year.

The timing is important if you are talking about wiping records.

There probably WERE guys who were clean until their 30s but then started taking drugs when their talents were withering away.

 

Many people are unaware that PED's were banned from baseball in 1991 by Faye Vincent. The players association only agreed to submit players to testing beginning in 2003. A lot of players got a pass within that timeframe (1991-2002).

[connorp]

Many people are unaware that PED's were banned from baseball in 1991 by Faye Vincent. The players association only agreed to submit players to testing beginning in 2003. A lot of players got a pass within that timeframe (1991-2002).

 

Perhaps, but the period is forever tainted in the court of public opinion.

 

Anyways, there would need to be a clear red line in the sand to account for not knowing who did what over the last 100 years. You’d have to just limit it to confirmed drug test fails or outright admissions

[connorp]

But besides this blip, seems the serious discussions about the record books are behind mlb, so I’m sure it’ll still be the status quo on past records. Perhaps something new introduced for the current generation at some point

[Boxcar]

I dont get whats so complicated about the record. The HR record is 73 for MLB. Its in black and white in the record books. AL record still deserves some attention as hitting 60+ HR regardless of whether it's the MLB record is exceptionally rare. Adding to it's mystique in the AL is that only NY Yankees RFs have done it.

 

Can we be honest and say that no one would really care if Judge was playing for the Mariners or Royals?

[John_Havok]

Can we be honest and say that no one would really care if Judge was playing for the Mariners or Royals?

 

They’d care, but far far less for sure.

[Olerud363]

Can we be honest and say that no one would really care if Judge was playing for the Mariners or Royals?

 

Yeah. I am sure that is why some people are getting so worked about this.

 

I live in NY States and get all the NY Cable stations. I have YES Network on TV 24/7. I travelled to North Dakota recently, to a mall in Fargo, to see the Roger Maris museum. It was just a display in the mall, with a little movie room but it was great.

 

So to me all the attention seems pretty appropriate. However I can see how dumb it might seem to people in other parts of North America.

 

I also still stand by my other point, in that before 97 American and National League were very distinct. To someone growing up in the late 80s or early 90s American league record seems natural, but for anyone growing up after that I am sure an 'American League' record seems weird.

 

As another weird point I do not believe that they ever switched a team between leagues until they did it with the Brewers in 98. Then they did it too the Astros in 2013 I think. Before that it was cool to have different numbers of teams in each league. League's were separate. Teams moved here and there but never switched leagues until Bud Selig did it.

 

Bud Selig mother f***er. Natural way...

 

Jays, Yankees, Red Sox, Orioles, Tigers - God's division. Atlanta Braves should have moved to central, and Rays to NL East. That is the way God intended.

 

However Selig, a satanist if there ever was one interfered because he had fond memories of watching national league as a young man in Milwaukee in the 50s.

 

That's right. Rays should be in NL East. Braves in NL Central and Tigers still in AL East. All these ******** trips to the Trop never should have been.,

[jaysblue]

But Sammy tested positive in 2003. He didn't set any records that year.

 

The timing is important if you are talking about wiping records.

 

There probably WERE guys who were clean until their 30s but then started taking drugs when their talents were withering away.

 

He also got caught with a corked bat that season as well haha.

[John_Havok]

He also got caught with a corked bat that season as well haha.

 

Yeah, and MLB took all his bats away, tested every single one, and just the one from that game had the cork in it.

[jaysblue]

Yeah, and MLB took all his bats away, tested every single one, and just the one from that game had the cork in it.

 

Oh wow never knew that haha. Weird!

[John_Havok]

Oh wow never knew that haha. Weird!

 

Oh yeah they went hardcore. It was like 76 bats they took. Just 1 with cork. Probably just had the idea one day to see what would happen, doctored up one bat and started using it in BP or something and somehow left it in his gamers pile.

[connorp]

Oblivious Judge being from NY amplified it, but I think it would’ve been a big deal and heavily marketed regardless.

 

61 HR since it happened until the steroid era was probably the most recognized record of not only baseball, but all sports. Of course there’s going to be strong opinions on the steroid/record stuff, much like politics where something is 50/50 and each side thinks the other is retarded. In summary, I think it would’ve been a big thing if it was say, Vlad

[jaysblue]

Oblivious Judge being from NY amplified it, but I think it would’ve been a big deal and heavily marketed regardless.

 

61 HR since it happened until the steroid era was probably the most recognized record of not only baseball, but all sports. Of course there’s going to be strong opinions on the steroid/record stuff, much like politics where something is 50/50 and each side thinks the other is retarded. In summary, I think it would’ve been a big thing if it was say, Vlad

 

Yeah any big market team like New York, Boston, LA, everything is amplified.

 

From a marketing/viewership/ratings perspective, the MLB had a lot to benefit from it so it made sense for them to create that hype whether people thought it was deserved or not. Even if it was another player not named Judge. I'm sure the last two weeks of the season alone, a lot of money was made from Yankees games. Even teams like Toronto and Texas benefited having the Yankees in town that week.