Question from an Astros fan (Trade Proposal)

[Skygodz187]

Wondering if you guys would be interested in this trade:

 

Jose Urquidy, Jake Odorizzi, Korey Lee, Chas McCormick and 2 Mid Level prospects

 

for

Lourdes Gurriel, Gabriel Moreno and Cavan Biggio

 

 

I understand You guys need Sp and we currently will have a big surplus of it.

 

Astros need a Young C who can learn from Maldy. And 2 super Utility players to cover a lot of positions. Lourdes can cover a few spots of need .

 

Urquidy easily fits into your rotation and So does Odorizzi and both have extra years to go Urquidy with 4 and Odirizzi with 2. McCormick can take Lourdes spot and 2 Mid Level Prospects can be Peter Solomom and Tyler Ivey again 2 more SP potential Players.

 

Just wanted to see your thoughts?

[John_Havok]

There’s so much wrong with this trade I won’t bother going into immense detail. It’s just not realistic.

 

Why would the Jays trade a young, highly touted catcher, a very decent starting OF, and a very average Jack of some trades for a middling starter to crap, a confirmed crap starter, a worse catcher and an average OF with some upside?

 

 

A more realistic ask from the Jays would be like Danny Jansen for MCormick.

[Skygodz187]

There’s so much wrong with this trade I won’t bother going into immense detail. It’s just not realistic.

 

Why would the Jays trade a young, highly touted catcher, a very decent starting OF, and a very average Jack of some trades for a middling starter to crap, a confirmed crap starter, a worse catcher and an average OF with some upside?

 

 

A more realistic ask from the Jays would be like Danny Jansen for MCormick.

 

 

 

You Saying Jose Urquidy is Bad?

Odorizzi is Bad?

Lee may just need more time thats all.

McCormick is just a filler.

 

Cavan Biggio has NO Value.

 

Gurriel is ok Value

and Moreno is the Highest piece in the deal.

 

HIGHLY toted?

 

He is Ranked 2 And has played well all threw the Minors so far. is doing well in the MLB . but like any other prospect you wont know anything until 5 years from now

[Spanky99]

Wondering if you guys would be interested in this trade:

 

Jose Urquidy, Jake Odorizzi, Korey Lee, Chas McCormick and 2 Mid Level prospects

 

for

Lourdes Gurriel, Gabriel Moreno and Cavan Biggio

 

 

I understand You guys need Sp and we currently will have a big surplus of it.

 

Astros need a Young C who can learn from Maldy. And 2 super Utility players to cover a lot of positions. Lourdes can cover a few spots of need .

 

Urquidy easily fits into your rotation and So does Odorizzi and both have extra years to go Urquidy with 4 and Odirizzi with 2. McCormick can take Lourdes spot and 2 Mid Level Prospects can be Peter Solomom and Tyler Ivey again 2 more SP potential Players.

 

Just wanted to see your thoughts?

 

Oof... Puff... Puff... Pass!

[Spanky99]

There’s so much wrong with this trade I won’t bother going into immense detail. It’s just not realistic.

 

Why would the Jays trade a young, highly touted catcher, a very decent starting OF, and a very average Jack of some trades for a middling starter to crap, a confirmed crap starter, a worse catcher and an average OF with some upside?

 

 

A more realistic ask from the Jays would be like Danny Jansen for MCormick.

 

Oof... Puff... Puff... Pass!

[John_Havok]

You Saying Jose Urquidy is Bad?

Odorizzi is Bad?

Lee may just need more time thats all.

McCormick is just a filler.

 

Cavan Biggio has NO Value.

 

Gurriel is ok Value

and Moreno is the Highest piece in the deal.

 

HIGHLY toted?

 

He is Ranked 2 And has played well all threw the Minors so far. is doing well in the MLB . but like any other prospect you wont know anything until 5 years from now

 

Urquidy and Odirizzi aren’t BAD per se, but they certainly wouldn’t be the kind of arms people target via trade when someone like Moreno is involved. He’s a consensus top 10 prospect in baseball. A GM would be burned at the stake for trading him for a 4/5 starter like Odorizzi or Urquidy.

 

In your own words, Gurriel is okay value, McCormick is filler. So your trade has us giving up the best prospect in the trade, the best OF in the trade and a no value bum in Biggio for two average to below average starters, a worse prospect, a worse outfielder and two mid tier prospects that are even worse than Lee.

 

Do you see the problem here?

[Dagagad]

You never want to do these massive package trades where most everything you are getting kind of sucks.

 

How much for just Urquidy? His underlying stuff numbers have always been good.

 

Moreno is off the table.

[Spanky99]

You Saying Jose Urquidy is Bad?

Odorizzi is Bad?

Lee may just need more time thats all.

McCormick is just a filler.

 

Cavan Biggio has NO Value.

 

Gurriel is ok Value

and Moreno is the Highest piece in the deal.

 

HIGHLY toted?

 

He is Ranked 2 And has played well all threw the Minors so far. is doing well in the MLB . but like any other prospect you wont know anything until 5 years from now

 

Toronto wouldn't move Moreno for J-Ram... how about Jansen for Brown and Ivey?

[John_Havok]

Oof... Puff... Puff... Pass!

 

Didn’t say they would do it…Houston would probably have to add a sweetener like….that Cf prospect in high A. He looks fun

[Daniel Labude]

Wondering if you guys would be interested in this trade:

 

Jose Urquidy, Jake Odorizzi, Korey Lee, Chas McCormick and 2 Mid Level prospects

 

for

Lourdes Gurriel, Gabriel Moreno and Cavan Biggio

 

 

I understand You guys need Sp and we currently will have a big surplus of it.

 

Astros need a Young C who can learn from Maldy. And 2 super Utility players to cover a lot of positions. Lourdes can cover a few spots of need .

 

Urquidy easily fits into your rotation and So does Odorizzi and both have extra years to go Urquidy with 4 and Odirizzi with 2. McCormick can take Lourdes spot and 2 Mid Level Prospects can be Peter Solomom and Tyler Ivey again 2 more SP potential Players.

 

Just wanted to see your thoughts?

 

Biggio for Urquidy and Enmanuel Valdez could work. Biggio has been worth double the value of Urquidy this year and the same age

[Dagagad]

Biggio for Urquidy and Enmanuel Valdez could work. Biggio has been worth double the value of Urquidy this year and the same age

 

Lol, ok now we are taking it too far.

[John_Havok]

You never want to do these massive package trades where most everything you are getting kind of sucks.

 

How much for just Urquidy? His underlying stuff numbers have always been good.

 

Moreno is off the table.

 

Am I looking at a different Urquidy than you are? His underlying numbers are very meh.

[Dagagad]

Am I looking at a different Urquidy than you are? His underlying numbers are very meh.

 

This is from memory but he’s a guy that Eno Sarris always seems to like. His stuff+ is like 105 with good location numbers as well I think.

 

I’m not sure why that doesn’t totally translate but I’d buy low on him. Houston aren’t trading him though.

[Spanky99]

This is from memory but he’s a guy that Eno Sarris always seems to like. His stuff+ is like 105 with good location numbers as well I think.

 

I’m not sure why that doesn’t totally translate but I’d buy low on him. Houston aren’t trading him though.

 

No they're not, he has lots of upside relative to a SP. Biggio's worth more than you think, though.

[Daniel Labude]

Lol, ok now we are taking it too far.

 

.5 WAR to .9. Same age, same control. Not that far off in reality

[John_Havok]

This is from memory but he’s a guy that Eno Sarris always seems to like. His stuff+ is like 105 with good location numbers as well I think.

 

I’m not sure why that doesn’t totally translate but I’d buy low on him. Houston aren’t trading him though.

 

Don’t misunderstand me either, he’s better than our current #5 but he’s sure as hell not someone that would be the centrepiece of a Moreno trade like the Houston fan suggests.

[Dagagad]

No they're not, he has lots of upside relative to a SP. Biggio's worth more than you think, though.

 

True, but I feel like when it comes to position player/ pitcher trades … a pitcher with that level of control and upside would be worth quite a bit more.

[Dagagad]

Don’t misunderstand me either, he’s better than our current #5 but he’s sure as hell not someone that would be the centrepiece of a Moreno trade like the Houston fan suggests.

 

Oh yea, Moreno would be madness.

[Solaxys]

Will echo from earlier - Brown or Abreu; if Astros want to go for a WS push and need an OF or C from us, that's what we shoot for. Anything else is just not worth.

Maybe, MAYYYBE, Colin Barber cause lefty OF with decent power/speed is very interesting.

 

(Gurriel or Jansen) + an arm for Brown + Barber, I'd do that.

 

But losing Gurriel (maybe even Jansen) now might be a death sentence lol.

[Spanky99]

True, but I feel like when it comes to position player/ pitcher trades … a pitcher with that level of control and upside would be worth quite a bit more.

 

Bat > SP

[Laika]

[Laika]

Here are some more realistic trades:

 

Biggio for Urquidy

 

Gurriel for Urquidy

 

Odorizzi and cash for worthless prospect

 

Moreno for Luis Garcia or Cristian Javier

 

Jansen for Hunter Brown and a decent second prospect

[Dagagad]

Bat > SP

 

Prospects yes, major leaguers no. Right?

 

Maybe I’m wrong. Like, I’d bet quite a bit that Houston could get more on the open market for Urquidy than we could for Biggio. In saying that, I think that’s also because teams would think he’s better than his numbers.

 

Like, you can get good rental bats for less than good rental pitching at the deadline.

[Dagagad]

Here are some more realistic trades:

 

Biggio for Urquidy

 

Gurriel for Urquidy

 

Odorizzi and cash for worthless prospect

 

Moreno for Luis Garcia or Cristian Javier

 

Jansen for Hunter Brown and a decent second prospect

 

Yes to the gurriel one.

[Spanky99]

Prospects yes, major leaguers no. Right?

 

Maybe I’m wrong. Like, I’d bet quite a bit that Houston could get more on the open market for Urquidy than we could for Biggio. In saying that, I think that’s also because teams would think he’s better than his numbers.

 

I'm talking value. I'm sure it'd be Biggio + but Why? Stros stand down.

[Dagagad]

I'm talking value. I'm sure it'd be Biggio + but Why? Stros stand down.

 

Oh yea, astros would never in a million years trade controllable pitching when contending. It’s not going to happen.

[John_Havok]

 

What would Jansen for McCormick look like. Nvm, figured out how to play with that site.

 

Jansen for MCCormick and Urquidy is about equal.

 

Not that Houston is going to trade Urquidy anyways

[Laika]

What would Jansen for McCormick look like

 

It would look like Jansen for McCormick

[Spanky99]

It would look like Jansen for McCormick

 

f***ing gross. No.

[Jonn]

f*** no to this trade. But thanks for stopping by.