Trevor Bauer discussion thread

[Jimcanuck]

Hmm...

 

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2021-11-01/what-comes-next-trevor-bauer-dodgers-sexual-assault-case

 

A lot depends on whether other women come forward with similar allegations. Apparently at least one has. If the DA thinks a pattern of abuse/violence can be established, game on (not baseball).

[connorp]

A lot depends on whether other women come forward with similar allegations. Apparently at least one has. If the DA thinks a pattern of abuse/violence can be established, game on (not baseball).

 

Just say “pun intended”

[Deadpool]

What teams would take on Bauer? Jays are way too much into virtue signalling to take the risk.

You generally need a team with a rich benefactor as opposed to a corporation who has to worry about their brand.

 

Padres don't seem to have a character requirement.

Astros took on Osuna when nobody else would touch him.

Yankees took on Chapman post-scandal.

 

I remember when "virtue signalling" was just called "having principles".

[John_Havok]

I remember when "virtue signalling" was just called "having principles".

 

It changed from having principles when everyone thought it necessary to proactively state publicly what their principles were. Then it became a game show

[Deadpool]

It changed from having principles when everyone thought it necessary to proactively state publicly what their principles were. Then it became a game show

 

With all due respect, ********.

 

I mean, are the rules of this forum "virtue signalling" or rules that we have in place because we're trying to create boundaries for posts on this board? Defining what you will and will not put up with doesn't mean you're "virtue signalling", it means that you have a clear idea of the kind of crap you won't put up with, and don't respect.

 

Are there people who do that performatively? Of f***ing course there are, but the Jays not wanting to sign Bauer (which, y'know, they haven't actually said, so what is the "signal" there?), or getting rid of someone who wrote a gay slur in their eyeblack, or not wanting someone who beat the f*** out of their girlfriend on the team isn't some sort of show for others, it's the values that the team is trying to foster. It's creating an inclusive workspace for others on the team. It's meting out consequences for actions.

 

This idea that people are only "good" for show is f***ing stupid.

[Spanky99]

With social media at the driving point. I get what John is saying as I do by Deadpool, there's nothing wrong being PC to protect themselves from a media hit, and implying that standard.

[John_Havok]

With social media at the driving point. I get what John is saying as I do by Deadpool, there's nothing wrong being PC to protect themselves from a media hit, and implying that standard.

 

That's moreso what I was getting at. Like, there's no need to Rogers or any other team to proactively go out and say "we aren't interested in X player because "insert virtue signal here". Someone like Yasiel Puig for example. When something happens on your own team, yeah of course you're going to condemn it publicly, like what happened with Osuna or the idiot who put the gay slur on his eyeblack. That's something that happened as a direct result of actions by a player on your team that you have to address.

 

But it seems that with social media, moreso with individuals rather than companies, it's like a competition to see how many causes they can be seen supporting so everyone knows how amazing and inclusive they are and there's like some sort of social points scoreboard being kept somewhere. Raising awareness of an issue is also different than screaming "look at me and how I support X"

[Jimcanuck]

That's moreso what I was getting at. Like, there's no need to Rogers or any other team to proactively go out and say "we aren't interested in X player because "insert virtue signal here". Someone like Yasiel Puig for example. When something happens on your own team, yeah of course you're going to condemn it publicly, like what happened with Osuna or the idiot who put the gay slur on his eyeblack. That's something that happened as a direct result of actions by a player on your team that you have to address.

 

But it seems that with social media, moreso with individuals rather than companies, it's like a competition to see how many causes they can be seen supporting so everyone knows how amazing and inclusive they are and there's like some sort of social points scoreboard being kept somewhere. Raising awareness of an issue is also different than screaming "look at me and how I support X"

 

Except it is simply good business to maintain a clean and responsible corporate image.

 

If Rogers management, in its wisdom, believes Bauer would be a net negative acquisition, so be it.

 

It's not the stupid nonsense termed "virtue signalling", it's simply a business decision.

[John_Havok]

Except it is simply good business to maintain a clean and responsible corporate image.

 

If Rogers management, in its wisdom, believes Bauer would be a net negative acquisition, so be it.

 

It's not the stupid nonsense termed "virtue signalling", it's simply a business decision.

 

It's not a problem to believe he would be a negative acquisition. I made that fairly clear above. If Rogers goes out of their way to let everyone know why they don't want to try and acquire a player who isn't even on their team because of it, unless they are directly asked by a reporter (however unlikely that would be be in a Bauer scenario)... THAT would be the virtue signal.

[Jimcanuck]

It's not a problem to believe he would be a negative acquisition. I made that fairly clear above. If Rogers goes out of their way to let everyone know why they don't want to try and acquire a player who isn't even on their team because of it, unless they are directly asked by a reporter (however unlikely that would be be in a Bauer scenario)... THAT would be the virtue signal.

 

I can see situations where it would be good for business to explain the reasons why an action (or inaction) is taken. You can term this corporate virtue signalling if you want, I see it as protecting or enhancing the corporate bottom line, period.

[John_Havok]

I can see situations where it would be good for business to explain the reasons why an action (or inaction) is taken. You can term this corporate virtue signaling if you want, I see it as protecting or enhancing the corporate bottom line, period.

 

If they are answering a direct question from a reporter... sure. If they put out a press release that nobody asked for, answering questions that nobody asked that says they will not be seeking to sign Yasiel Puig or other FA's due to reasons, THAT would be the virtue signal. I'm not sure how much clearly I can put this.

[Jimcanuck]

If they are answering a direct question from a reporter... sure. If they put out a press release that nobody asked for, answering questions that nobody asked that says they will not be seeking to sign Yasiel Puig or other FA's due to reasons, THAT would be the virtue signal. I'm not sure how much clearly I can put this.

 

Nah, if they put out a press release it would be to protect or enhance the corporate bottom line. Not as a "virtue signal", "cancel culture", or any other right wing made up grievance reason.

[Spanky99]

Nah, if they put out a press release it would be to protect or enhance the corporate bottom line. Not as a "virtue signal", "cancel culture", or any other right wing made up grievance reason.

 

Uhmm... I don't think JH is right wing, but nice generalization.

[Jimcanuck]

Uhmm... I don't think JH is right wing, but nice generalization.

 

 

I didn't say he is.

[John_Havok]

Uhmm... I don't think JH is right wing, but nice generalization.

 

Pretty far from it TBH, i don't get what he doesn't get. It's just like math, order of operation is important.

[Spanky99]

I didn't say he is.

 

So basically you can't help yourself referencing this topic without bringing in politics, gotcha.

[Spanky99]

Pretty far from it TBH, i don't get what he doesn't get. It's just like math, order of operation is important.

 

They wouldn't do that without being publicly asked, even then I believe they'd dance around the subject. Jim's an idiot.

[Jimcanuck]

They wouldn't do that without being publicly asked, even then I believe they'd dance around the subject. Jim's an idiot.

 

of course they wouldn't, so JH's argument is moot. showing your nasty side again, Spank?

[Spanky99]

of course they wouldn't, so JH's argument is moot. showing your nasty side again, Spank?

 

Shaddup... jelly boy.

[King]

Really can't see Bauer playing another MLB game at this point. Might be an early retirement - No need to play Indy ball when you've already got that much money in the bank. I doubt any teams in Korea or Japan would be interested as well.

[Jimcanuck]

Really can't see Bauer playing another MLB game at this point. Might be an early retirement - No need to play Indy ball when you've already got that much money in the bank. I doubt any teams in Korea or Japan would be interested as well.

 

The longer the investigation goes on, the more likely this becomes. The investigation continuing means they are still collecting evidence.

[King]

The longer the investigation goes on, the more likely this becomes. The investigation continuing means they are still collecting evidence.

100% Jim. Hit the nail on the head as always.

[L54]

Lol Bauer will probably pitch in 2022 never mind never again

[Spanky99]

Really can't see Bauer playing another MLB game at this point. Might be an early retirement - No need to play Indy ball when you've already got that much money in the bank. I doubt any teams in Korea or Japan would be interested as well.

 

The longer the investigation goes on, the more likely this becomes. The investigation continuing means they are still collecting evidence.

 

100% Jim. Hit the nail on the head as always.

 

[Abomination]

Really can't see Bauer playing another MLB game at this point. Might be an early retirement - No need to play Indy ball when you've already got that much money in the bank. I doubt any teams in Korea or Japan would be interested as well.

 

I think there will always be a handful of teams willing to take a shot (Rangers come to mind). He's certainly cost himself a hell of a lot of money though.

[John_Havok]

I think there will always be a handful of teams willing to take a shot (Rangers come to mind). He's certainly cost himself a hell of a lot of money though.

 

I think it will entirely depend on the outcome. If he doesn't even get suspended or gets something very minor, then there will definitely be teams that line up for his services. It will be as simple as "the investigation took place, punishment taken, the matter is closed... back to baseball"

 

If he gets suspended for any length of time though, yeah he'll be blackballed and forgotten.

[BTS]

I think it could go either way. Puig has been blackballed and hasn’t been convicted of anything. He’s also not close to as good as Bauer. I think successful legal action would have to be taken against Bauer for him to get the Puig treatment.

[Spanky99]

I think it will entirely depend on the outcome. If he doesn't even get suspended or gets something very minor, then there will definitely be teams that line up for his services. It will be as simple as "the investigation took place, punishment taken, the matter is closed... back to baseball"

 

If he gets suspended for any length of time though, yeah he'll be blackballed and forgotten.

 

Didn't you say the money would be deferred to his suspension as time served?

 

I think I saw that. Is that possible?

[Spanky99]

I think it could go either way. Puig has been blackballed and hasn’t been convicted of anything. He’s also not close to as good as Bauer. I think successful legal action would have to be taken against Bauer for him to get the Puig treatment.

 

Same, he deserves his day in court, if it actually really gets there. If he's guilty, he's a POS and we can all move on. One thing clear is he's an idiot for putting himself in this light. Too bad he couldn't lend some of his smarts to his life choices. The guy was/is good for baseball. Just wish he wasn't such a douchecanoe.

[John_Havok]

Didn't you say the money would be deferred to his suspension as time served?

 

I think I saw that. Is that possible?

 

Its possible. As I understand it, right now he's on paid administrative leave and has been since he last pitched on June 28th. So he's already missed a huge number of games, while being paid his salary.

 

So, if he get's suspended, any suspension he gets would have to be retroactive to his first day of admin leave. If the Suspension is less than the games he's already missed, he just has to fork over his salary for that number of games (since they don't get paid while suspended, the money goes to wherever it goes), and he's good to play right away.

Edited January 4, 2022 by John_Havok