Jays acquire Corey Dickerson and Adam Cimber

[Laika]

Anyway, flawless trade really. A masterpiece that doesn't matter much.

[connorp]

I think Cimber is a good fit with all our hard throwers. The lack of K’s isn’t concerning. He doesn’t walk guys, and he's very good at limiting hard contact, and extremely tough to barrel up.

 

 

Apparently he also solves mysteries with his dog on the side

[NHLPRO]

:)Yup Ditto:D

[metafour]

Sounds like the minor leaguer is RHP Andrew McInvale

 

That's a legit "who?" guy from me.

 

Late pick in 2019. AA reliever with lots of K's this year. Probably has some semblance of stuff.

 

I looked him up. He apparently throws mid 90's and has obviously impressed this year.

 

Either way, a great trade. Flip a late round reliever for immediate help.

[Ray]

I consider myself fairly familiar with our farm system even beyond just the top guys. I browse our farm teams box score pretty much everyday. Even with that, I have zero idea who Andrew McInvale is.

[Sorrow]

If Dickerson gets healthy that's a nice add. This is addition by subtraction on the line up front though with Panik being a below replacement asset.

 

I wonder who's dropped from the 'pen and who's added to the bench.

[bones10]

Are they going to carry 5 outfielders when Dickerson is back, seems a bit odd no?

[RustyTrombone]

If Dickerson gets healthy that's a nice add. This is addition by subtraction on the line up front though with Panik being a below replacement asset.

 

I wonder who's dropped from the 'pen and who's added to the bench.

 

Might we see Kevin Smith to take Paniks spot untill Dickerson gets healthy? Or maybe we see Breyvic Valera/Richard Urena.

[Dick_Pole]

I can see Dickerson hitting 130 OPS+ in a platoon/pinch hitting role on this team once he's off the IL. The Jays probably sneak out 1+ WAR worth of value in this trade for the remainder of the season. So remember this if they win a playoff spot by one game.

[Scion]

This could be our pen in a few weeks if no additional injury setbacks occur. It is by no means great, but it at least resembles a major league bullpen.

 

Romano

Merryweather

Borucki

Cimber

Castro

Chatwood

Mayza

Dolis

[The Iceman]

The Marlins needed to clear a spot for Jesus Sanchez who is ready for MLB ABs.

 

Jays needed a LH hitting OF to help balance the roster.

Reading that the Marlins are seemingly covering the bulk of the remainder owing to the uncertainty surrounding Dickerson’s health.

 

Looks like the new platoon of Biggio and Espinal for 3rd and Espinal improved play had played Panik out of a job.

[TwistedLogic]

Holy s*** I f***ing love this trade. Made my day.

 

(-) Joe Panik

(+) Quality Reliever with 3.5 Years of Control

(+) Veteran 4th OF with a lefty bat and a career 122 wRC+ against right-handed pitching.

 

Only way this trade could possibly go sideways is if Montoyo falls in love with Dickerson's vetrin presents and bats him high in the lineup but the chances of that are low and if the manager is going to get married to a borderline worthless veteran, I'd rather it be Corey Dickerson and not Joe Panik.

[Jays24]

Ya this seems like a lesser version of the Lirano trade where's its a win win for us just because we were willing to flex some financial muscle. Great move. Now just repeat this a few times and this will be 2015 all over again but with a young core and a great farm system still.

[The Iceman]

This could be our pen in a few weeks if no additional injury setbacks occur. It is by no means great, but it at least resembles a major league bullpen.

 

Romano

Merryweather

Borucki

Cimber

Castro

Chatwood

Mayza

Dolis

 

Where is Payamps and his 2.70 ERA?

[Scion]

Where is Payamps and his 2.70 ERA?

 

Ideally somewhere where I never have to watch him pitch again.

[Brownie19]

Personally I love the idea of having someone completely different coming out of the pen. TB has been doing this for years - lots of different arm angle, velocities and pitch mixes.

[Deadpool]

Are they going to carry 5 outfielders when Dickerson is back, seems a bit odd no?

 

They've been primarily using Biggio as an outfielder lately, so they can stop doing that now.

[Jays24]

Holy s*** I f***ing love this trade. Made my day.

 

(-) Joe Panik

(+) Quality Reliever with 3.5 Years of Control

(+) Veteran 4th OF with a lefty bat and a career 122 wRC+ against right-handed pitching.

 

Only way this trade could possibly go sideways is if Montoyo falls in love with Dickerson's vetrin presents and bats him high in the lineup but the chances of that are low and if the manager is going to get married to a borderline worthless veteran, I'd rather it be Corey Dickerson and not Joe Panik.

 

Agree with this but Dickerson becomes the 5th OFer. If he's healthy, I can see this setting up a Gurriel + others trade for that top end starter we're all looking for.

[Scion]

I mean the Jays could just use Dickerson as a DH against RHH...

[Jays24]

I mean the Jays could just use Dickerson as a DH against RHH...

 

Grichuk/Gurriel are too good to be sitting that many games since majority are RHP. I don't think we would keep 5 OFers on the roster with Biggio being able to play out there too.

[Stangstag]

Dickerson is injured and won't be back for a while right?

[Scion]

Grichuk/Gurriel are too good to be sitting that many games since majority are RHP. I don't think we would keep 5 OFers on the roster with Biggio being able to play out there too.

 

Grichuk is not too good to be a 4th OF, and he can DH against lefties as well as spell: Springer, Gurriel and Teoscar when they need a day. There is more than enough at bats for all of them. Dickerson is essentially a better and more versatile Tellez.

[Scion]

Dickerson is injured and won't be back for a while right?

 

3 weeks minimum.

[Jays24]

Grichuk is not too good to be a 4th OF, and he can DH against lefties as well as spell: Springer, Gurriel and Teoscar when they need a day. There is more than enough at bats for all of them. Dickerson is essentially a better and more versatile Tellez.

 

Ya thats true, we were planning on platooning Tellez/Grichuk this season. Replace Tellez with Dickerson and maybe we even see some Gurriel at 1B when Vlad needs a day off.

[TwistedLogic]

Agree with this but Dickerson becomes the 5th OFer. If he's healthy, I can see this setting up a Gurriel + others trade for that top end starter we're all looking for.

 

I'd rather they move Grichuk and put Gurriel in a straight platoon with Dickerson.

 

Gurriel has a 121 career wRC+ against lefties while Dickerson has a career 122 wRC+ against righties. It's the perfect platoon.

 

I know dropping Grichuk would be a hit to team defense but I still trade him for the following reasons:

 

- Gurriel is on one of the most team-friendly contracts in baseball.

 

- Grichuk is earning 10M AAV.

 

- Gurriel is likely due for some positive regression on his 87 wRC+. Steamer projects him as a 100 wRC+ bat the rest of the season, while ZiPS has him at 107.

 

- Grichuk's success this year might make him a slightly more enticing trade chip.

 

- As much as we rail on intangibles, there's at least something to be said about Gurriel being the heart and soul of the team. I'll take a minor hit in value between Grich and Gurriel (maybe not much of a hit at all if Gurriel is protected in a platoon) if it means keeping two of the biggest bats on the team in Vladdy and Teoscar happy.

[connorp]

I can see Dickerson hitting 130 OPS+ in a platoon/pinch hitting role on this team once he's off the IL. The Jays probably sneak out 1+ WAR worth of value in this trade for the remainder of the season. So remember this if they win a playoff spot by one game.

 

These type of WAR takes are what makes the old-timers cringe. WAR is about assigning a value for future performance predictions rather than assigning a value to what happened. RBIs and a guy hitting .700 with risp are mocked because clutch hitting and opportunity aren’t a controllable situation and it makes sense not to factor these in looking forward but their impact in a past situation is undeniable. Same with situational pitching, especially with RP. A guy with O WAR could’ve actually helped your team more than a guy with 1.5 WAR.

[Ehjays]

From Trade rumours:

 

Blue Jays To Acquire Adam Cimber, Corey Dickerson

By Steve Adams | June 29, 2021 at 9:54am CDT

 

In one of the first deals of the summer trade season, the Blue Jays have reportedly agreed to acquire right-handed reliever Adam Cimber and left-handed-hitting outfielder Corey Dickerson from the Marlins in exchange for infielder Joe Panik and minor league righty Andrew McInvale. The swap comes barely a week after Toronto GM Ross Atkins acknowledged a desire to add bullpen help (and after the team was reported to be seeking left-handed bats on the trade market).

 

It’s a bit of a surprise move on a number of levels. Dickerson is presently on the 10-day IL with a foot injury, and it’s unclear when he’ll return to the field (although he’s eligible at any time having already spent more than 10 days on the shelf). Meanwhile, it’s a bit unexpected to see the Fish taking back a struggling veteran infielder such as Panik, but Miami does have a pair of infielders (Brian Anderson, Jose Devers) on the injured list at the moment.

 

 

 

What’s not surprising, from a broader perspective, is that the Marlins would be seeking a trade partner for Dickerson. The 32-year-old has been a roughly league-average bat since signing a two-year, $17.5MM deal with Miami in the 2019-20 offseason and is hitting .263/.324/.380 through 225 trips to the plate in 2021. But the Marlins have multiple young outfielders they’d like the chance to evaluate for the remainder of the 2021 season, including Jesus Sanchez, who now figures to get the bulk of the time in left field. The 23-year-old decimated Triple-A pitching, slashing .349/.400/.643 with nine homers, five doubles and three triples through 140 plate appearances prior to his promotion. He now has a clearer path to everyday at-bats in Miami than he would’ve with a healthy Dickerson eventually returning from the injured list.

 

For the Blue Jays, Dickerson figures to slide into a part-time outfield role. Toronto currently has Lourdes Gurriel Jr., George Springer, Teoscar Hernandez and Randal Grichuk in the mix for outfield and DH at-bats, but all four bat right-handed. Dickerson’s left-handed bat makes for a nice fit, particularly given his longstanding platoon splits. He’s held his own against lefties in his career, hitting .268/.305/.408, but has thrived against right-handers with a .287/.333/.514 output.

 

While Dickerson is the more recognizable name of the two going back to the Jays in this deal, Cimber is perhaps the key piece of this trade for the Blue Jays. The 30-year-old sidearmer has pitched in 34 1/3 innings so far with the Marlins and notched a 2.88 ERA — albeit primarily in low-leverage situations.

 

 

 

Cimber doesn’t miss many bats, but that’s often the case with sidearm and submarine pitchers. He’s posted just a 15.9 percent strikeout rate so far in 2021 — about nine percent lower than league-average — but also sports better-than-average walk and ground-ball percentages (7.9 and 49.5, respectively). He rarely gives up premium contact, sitting in the 81st percentile of MLB pitchers in terms of opponents’ average exit velocity and the 96th percentile in terms of opponents’ barrel rate, per Statcast.

 

For his career, Cimber has been far more effective against righties than lefties, but he’s been an absolute nightmare for left-handed opponents so far in 2021. It’s a sample of just 55 plate appearances, so the small-sample caveat certainly applies, but left-handed opponents have posted just a .196/.327/.283 slash against him. Right-handers, meanwhile, are slashing .269/.329/.333 against him.

 

Dickerson is a free agent at season’s end, so he’s a pure rental for the Blue Jays whenever he’s able to return to the field. Cimber, on the other hand, is controllable via arbitration through the 2024 season. He’s playing the current year on a $925K salary after avoiding arbitration as a Super Two player over the winter and will have three more trips through the arb process before he qualifies as a free agent. His inclusion in the deal gives the Jays a reliever with a career 3.69 ERA and 4.01 SIERA both for the remainder of the 2021 season and perhaps for multiple years to come.

 

Looking at the Marlins’ end of the swap, Panik will give them an experienced bench option and help provide some cover for those injuries and any others that may arise. (Both Miguel Rojas and Jazz Chisholm have already spent time on the IL in 2021.) He could also see increased time at third base, freeing versatile Jon Berti up to bounce around the diamond as he has in seasons past. Panik was productive in the first couple years of his career with the Giants, but he’s settled in as something of a journeyman utility player. Dating back to 2018, the former first-round pick is batting .246/.313/.332 — including a .246/.293/.351 hitter in 123 plate appearances so far in 2021.

 

Panik’s inclusion in the deal also serves as a bit of a financial counterweight for Dickerson, even if his $1.85MM salary is quite a bit smaller than Dickerson’s $8.5MM sum. Panik is still owed about $965K through season’s end, and Cimber has about $482K remaining on his deal. The total $1.44MM they’re still owed partially offsets the remaining $4.4MM on Dickerson’s salary, and the Marlins are said to be adding cash to the deal to at least partially offset the remainder.

 

As for the 24-year-old McInvale, he’ll add another arm to the upper levels of the Miami system. Although he was one of the Blue Jays’ final picks in 2019 (37th round and No. 1107 overall), McInvale has risen to Double-A and fared quite well this season. He’s pitched 20 2/3 innings out of the bullpen an impressive 31.8 percent strikeout rate and a massive 63.6 percent ground-ball rate. Command has been an issue, however, as McInvale has walked 13 batters (14.8 BB%), hit another pair and tossed three wild pitches.

 

McInvale didn’t rank among the Jays’ best prospects, as one would expect for a recent 37th-rounder who didn’t pitch in 2020. However, the Marlins are parting with an outfielder they’ve deemed superfluous and a right-hander they acquired from the Indians this past winter in exchange for cash ($100K, to be exact). Saving some of Dickerson’s salary and adding a pitcher who’s performed well at the Double-A level seems like a solid outcome to the whole gambit for them. As for the Jays, they’re effectively purchasing an experienced righty and rolling the dice on a veteran hitter with a strong track record against right-handed pitching. It’s not the flashiest of trades we’ll see this summer, but it’s one that ultimately feels fairly sensible for both clubs — even if it looks a little odd at first glance.

[wilko]

Great move. Get rid of Joe and get another lefty in the batting lineup at some point. Dickerson knows how to work a count and has some sneaky pop. Also who doesn't want a side throwing crafty reliever that's controllable for a few more years?

[Daniel Labude]

Gurriel to 3B maybe lol

[Jays24]

I'd rather they move Grichuk and put Gurriel in a straight platoon with Dickerson.

 

Gurriel has a 121 career wRC+ against lefties while Dickerson has a career 122 wRC+ against righties. It's the perfect platoon.

 

I know dropping Grichuk would be a hit to team defense but I still trade him for the following reasons:

 

- Gurriel is on one of the most team-friendly contracts in baseball.

 

- Grichuk is earning 10M AAV.

 

- Gurriel is likely due for some positive regression on his 87 wRC+. Steamer projects him as a 100 wRC+ bat the rest of the season, while ZiPS has him at 107.

 

- Grichuk's success this year might make him a slightly more enticing trade chip.

 

- As much as we rail on intangibles, there's at least something to be said about Gurriel being the heart and soul of the team. I'll take a minor hit in value between Grich and Gurriel (maybe not much of a hit at all if Gurriel is protected in a platoon) if it means keeping two of the biggest bats on the team in Vladdy and Teoscar happy.

 

Thing is that for all the reason why we'd want to keep Gurriel are more reasons why other teams will want him for the eventual top end starter we need. Now the chemistry part is very underrated since it seems like Gurriel has a great connection with Teo/Vlad/Springer.

 

Seems like our front office knows exactly what they are doing so it does feel nice that we can sit back and trust what they eventually do.