Offseason Roster Thread 2019-2020

[glory]

It's this, man, lol. It's absurd.

 

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If the Astros kept Fisher past the trade deadline, he was out of options and on a team that didn't want/need him. He was going to be DFA. You and Brownie are seriously making a stink about me thinking the Jays could have given up less than Stevenson for Fisher had they waited a few months? You guys need hobbies man. It's not that serious. Teoscar was in the same freakin spot two years ago and was traded for two months of the corpse of Francisco Liriano. What the hell are you guys talking about?

 

I didn't say anything about Fisher's upside with the bat (which I've actually defended here), just his trade value at the time he was acquired and/or had they waited a few months. He's not an asset right now, with the Astros or the Jays. That's reality. I'm sorry you can't accept it.

[Spanky99]

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If the Astros kept Fisher past the trade deadline, he was out of options and on a team that didn't want/need him. He was going to be DFA. You and Brownie are seriously making a stink about me thinking the Jays could have given up less than Stevenson for Fisher had they waited a few months? You guys need hobbies man. It's not that serious. Teoscar was in the same freakin spot two years ago and was traded for two months of the corpse of Francisco Liriano. What the hell are you guys talking about?

 

I didn't say anything about Fisher's upside with the bat (which I've actually defended here), just his trade value at the time he was acquired and/or had they waited a few months. He's not an asset right now, with the Astros or the Jays. That's reality. I'm sorry you can't accept it.

 

So you're saying Atkins could've traded an injured Sanchez and Biagini for Fisher(whom they obviously covet) this winter and saved Stevenson, gotcha. lulz... Captain Hindsight much, glory?

[Boxcar]

I honestly can't believe people are still bitching about Fisher. If he sucks, oh well, we tried.

 

Also, lol @ thinking more teams would claim Alford (who is s*****) vs. Fisher (who is s***** with a good track record).

 

Do you not think that maybe more than one team was interested in Fisher? I'm not going to lose sleep just because we lost a lowly ranked prospect in the process, and no one else should either. The rope that Alford gets despite sucking s*** for years continues to amaze me.

[wamco]

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If the Astros kept Fisher past the trade deadline, he was out of options and on a team that didn't want/need him. He was going to be DFA. You and Brownie are seriously making a stink about me thinking the Jays could have given up less than Stevenson for Fisher had they waited a few months? You guys need hobbies man. It's not that serious. Teoscar was in the same freakin spot two years ago and was traded for two months of the corpse of Francisco Liriano. What the hell are you guys talking about?

 

I didn't say anything about Fisher's upside with the bat (which I've actually defended here), just his trade value at the time he was acquired and/or had they waited a few months. He's not an asset right now, with the Astros or the Jays. That's reality. I'm sorry you can't accept it.

 

- don’t feed the trolls glory

[Spanky99]

- don’t feed the trolls glory

 

[wamco]

Not clever, original or funny. Congrats!

[Barkerfan23]

When should we hear about the Shapiro/Atkins contracts extension? Isn't that kind of the main topic.

[Bobthe4th]

[Bobthe4th]

This offseason is big for Vlad. If he doesn't get in better shape now (while he's young and hasn't quite yet established himself as a star, and we can afford to let him stay at 3B) then he's never going to do it.

[Bobthe4th]

[Spanky99]

This offseason is big for Vlad. If he doesn't get in better shape now (while he's young and hasn't quite yet established himself as a star, and we can afford to let him stay at 3B) then he's never going to do it.

 

He realizes, he didn't have to accept the hard work he will have to do.

[Spanky99]

 

Yay, I hope he doesn't mean innings, lol. Seriously, that's positive.

[glory]

I honestly can't believe people are still bitching about Fisher. If he sucks, oh well, we tried.

 

Also, lol @ thinking more teams would claim Alford (who is s*****) vs. Fisher (who is s***** with a good track record).

 

Do you not think that maybe more than one team was interested in Fisher? I'm not going to lose sleep just because we lost a lowly ranked prospect in the process, and no one else should either. The rope that Alford gets despite sucking s*** for years continues to amaze me.

 

The Astros took back one of the worst SPs in baseball, a replacement level RP, and actual money in order to turn Fisher into Stevenson. You tell me whether Fisher had other suitors. Seems pretty cut and dry. Usually the team that absorbs s*** is getting something to compensate for absorbing s***.

 

Fisher was in the PCL for the past two years and this year hit worse than Tellez and about equal to what McKinney did in the International League this year at younger ages. I actually think Fisher has some intriguing skills (BB%, speed, exit velocity), but damn, you guys are nuts if you think he's an asset, or was an asset at the time he was acquired. Certifiable nuts.

 

If the Jays traded Alford tomorrow they'd get little to nothing in return. If the Jays traded Fisher tomorrow they'd get little to nothing in return. That's reality folks. Both likely suck. It's ok to admit it. It's remarkable that I've actually wanted Montoyo to give Fisher more playing time and people are saying I'm complaining about a trade that both teams are not going to get much out of it in all likelihood. I'll move on because my head hurts.

[Spanky99]

The Astros took back one of the worst SPs in baseball, a replacement level RP, and actual money in order to turn Fisher into Stevenson. You tell me whether Fisher had other suitors. Seems pretty cut and dry. Usually the team that absorbs s*** is getting something to compensate for absorbing s***.

 

Fisher was in the PCL for the past two years and this year hit worse than Tellez and about equal to what McKinney did in the International League this year at younger ages. I actually think Fisher has some intriguing skills (BB%, speed, exit velocity), but damn, you guys are nuts if you think he's an asset, or was an asset at the time he was acquired. Certifiable nuts.

 

If the Jays traded Alford tomorrow they'd get little to nothing in return. If the Jays traded Fisher tomorrow they'd get little to nothing in return. That's reality folks. Both likely suck. It's ok to admit it. It's remarkable that I've actually wanted Montoyo to give Fisher more playing time and people are saying I'm complaining about a trade that both teams are not going to get much out of it in all likelihood. I'll move on because my head hurts.

 

No one said different. You said this... and this is the layover, that's it.

 

Ironically, the Jays might have been able to get Fisher without giving up Stevenson had they waited until the winter. I know Stevenson may not be much, but still potential asset moved for a piece that was probably going to be DFA'd by the Astros.

[Ray]

 

This is encouraging to see at the very least. Hopefully there will be some proactive action taken this off season, because I see absolutely no point in wasting another year of Vladdy, Bo, Biggio etc. Their clock is already ticking.

 

We should be operating under the assumption that the likes of TJ Zeuch, Thornton, Waguespack should all be starting next season in AAA. I would love to explore the market for mid level pitchers like Roark, Odorizzi, Hill etc and nab at least 2 of them.

[BTS]

 

This is encouraging to see at the very least. Hopefully there will be some proactive action taken this off season, because I see absolutely no point in wasting another year of Vladdy, Bo, Biggio etc. Their clock is already ticking.

 

We should be operating under the assumption that the likes of TJ Zeuch, Thornton, Waguespack should all be starting next season in AAA. I would love to explore the market for mid level pitchers like Roark, Odorizzi, Hill etc and nab at least 2 of them.

 

Strongly disagree with Thornton starting in AAA. He just put up 2 fWAR over a full MLB season. He’s an established major leaguer now. Fully agree that Zeuch and Waguespack should be considered AAA depth to start 2020.

[Krylian]

I'll get excited about the spending when I see what they're spending on.

[Spanky99]

I'll get excited about the spending when I see what they're spending on.

 

Still decent news, doom and gloomer. :/

[Krylian]

Still decent news, doom and gloomer. :/

 

It's only decent if it's done right, Blue Jay Deepthroater.

[Barkerfan23]

What about the fact that GM and President are both lame duck

[Barkerfan23]

I think the more important consideration for Atkins is not the money but when to let go of the draft pick compensation. Because at some point you're going to have to sign a guy who declined a QO.

 

And does it make sense to let go of it now when our 1st rounder is protected?

 

Maybe he will be more inclined to do so if he thinks that he may not be around to see that draft pick develop anyways.

[Laika]

Because at some point you're going to have to sign a guy who declined a QO.

 

No they don't.

[Laika]

 

This is encouraging to see at the very least. Hopefully there will be some proactive action taken this off season, because I see absolutely no point in wasting another year of Vladdy, Bo, Biggio etc. Their clock is already ticking.

 

We should be operating under the assumption that the likes of TJ Zeuch, Thornton, Waguespack should all be starting next season in AAA. I would love to explore the market for mid level pitchers like Roark, Odorizzi, Hill etc and nab at least 2 of them.

 

Hard to say what it means though. Their higher payrolls were mostly due to trades and extensions. It's not like Toronto made a whole lot of big free agent signings.

What does that reference mean to the 2020 offseason? It's not exactly clear.

 

Thornton in AAA is supa dumb. At the worst, he's #6 on the SP depth chart and in the pen to start the year, getting bulk innings.

[Ray]

Fair enough about Thornton. He's coming off a good enough rookie campaign, plus has demonstrated good swing and miss ability. The only way he'll get better is by giving him reps. If we only have to worry about adding 2 starters this offseason, all the better.

 

So our bottom of the rotation is shaping up to be Shoemaker-Borucki-Thornton. I'm comfortable with Zeuch, Kay, Pearson, Muphy, Waguespack, Joey Murray being the starting depth in AAA.

[Spanky99]

It's only decent if it's done right, Blue Jay Deepthroater.

 

lol... how rude. You're a bigger prick then , even I assumed *******.

[Jimcanuck]

lol... how rude. You're a bigger prick then , even I assumed *******.

 

Oh, the irony.

[Spanky99]

Oh, the irony.

 

In your post, yes.

[Stangstag]

I think Shatkins are in for a rude awakening once they realize that players don’t want to sign with Toronto and that we have to overpay to get anyone to play here.

[glory]

I think the more important consideration for Atkins is not the money but when to let go of the draft pick compensation. Because at some point you're going to have to sign a guy who declined a QO.

 

And does it make sense to let go of it now when our 1st rounder is protected?

 

I think they are less likely to sign a qualified FA with a higher pick. Their available draft money will be high with a #5 pick.

 

I think more likely this means we shop in the 2016 Happ and Estrada aisle of the market. Kyle Gibson types. I’d be pleasantly surprised if they go after someone like Wheeler but can’t see them signing a qualified FA just yet.

[Krylian]

He realizes, he didn't have to accept the hard work he will have to do.

 

We'll see in the spring if he accepted it. I can stand here and say all kinds of stuff too, but it's what I do that matters.

 

Hopefully Vladdy gets it...but until I see it, it's just talk.