Aaron Sanchez and Biagini Traded to Astros for Derek Fisher

[Bobthe4th]

Huh, apparently Sanchez is actually starting for HOU for the time being. Not what I expected.

 

Not too late for a run for Cy Young, haha.

[PhillyBlueJay]

See time for Atkins to think outside the box...

 

I would hire Jose Bautista as an off-season hitting instructor with potential to introduce him as a coach and potential instructor in the minor leagues.

 

They came up with the idea of using past pitchers to throw simulated pitching prior to games to get the hitters feeling like they are on top of the ball better and get a better feel for real-time pitching.

 

I would get Bautista instructing in Dunedin and send Billy Mckinney, Randell Grichuk, Rowdy Tellez, and newly acquired Derek Fischer to learn the launch angle swing and timing of hitting with leg kick. Josh Donaldson took a full off-season to mimic Bautista and then he broke out in Oakland the year before we traded for him... Idea would be that we get 2 of the 4 adapting and having break out years.

 

As it stands now the 4 of these guys with their status-quo swings are not going to cut-it at the MLB level.

[Spanky99]

Huh, apparently Sanchez is actually starting for HOU for the time being. Not what I expected.

 

Yeah, until Peacock is ready.

[FrozenRopes]

Fisher struck out on 66% less pitches than anyone else in the history of their first AB for their new team. Record books for him.

[EastCoaster]

Yeah, until Peacock is ready.

 

That's the thing the timeline for Peacock return is undetermined right now after his recent setback and with the season winding down approximately 50 or so games left to play the window of opportunity is closing fast for his return this season. The Astros picked Sanchez for exactly that purpose depth in their rotation except all the dummies here didn't even consider that scenario playing out.

[EastCoaster]

Sanchez could very well have been non tendered this offseason anyway. I think you guys think Sanchez had more value than he actually did.

 

WTF are you talking about non tendered Sanchez was under team control till 2021 so next season if they couldn't agree on a salary it goes directly to arbitration and they decide his salary for the year.

[Deadpool]

WTF are you talking about non tendered Sanchez was under team control till 2021 so next season if they couldn't agree on a salary it goes directly to arbitration and they decide his salary for the year.

 

And then the Jays could say "too rich for our blood", which isn't out of the question, frankly.

[Spanky99]

That's the thing the timeline for Peacock return is undetermined right now after his recent setback and with the season winding down approximately 50 or so games left to play the window of opportunity is closing fast for his return this season. The Astros picked Sanchez for exactly that purpose depth in their rotation except all the dummies here didn't even consider that scenario playing out.

 

What setback, he's on rehab assignment, also all I've heard people here say mostly is that the Stros are going to fix him(Sanchez)...

 

Also, they have Urquidy and Valdez that can start too.

[Spanky99]

lol...

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/blue-jays-fans-reporters-outraged-after-aaron-sanchez-traded-to-astros-mlb-trade-deadline-231826634.html

[Bobthe4th]

And then the Jays could say "too rich for our blood", which isn't out of the question, frankly.

 

We'll never know for sure, but there was very little chance of that happening. It's not like we need to save money next year and it would have been ridiculous to throw away any chance of Sanchez building any value at all (as a reliever or a starter) to save $4-5m.

[EastCoaster]

And then the Jays could say "too rich for our blood", which isn't out of the question, frankly.

 

That's not how it works arbitration ruling are biding what ever they decide they have to pay that salary. The ruling could go either way of the player or the team.

[Deadpool]

That's not how it works arbitration ruling are biding what ever they decide they have to pay that salary. The ruling could go either way of the player or the team.

 

I'm just going to go ahead and let you know that you're 100% wrong on this and hope you accept that. The arbitrator can come back and say "here's the figure" and the team has the right to say "okay, bye then" and the player becomes a free agent at that point.

 

Edit: just to clarify, I am not 100% sure if a player can be non-tendered AFTER arbitration, I believe that's the case, but after some cursory googling, I wasn't able to confirm or deny that. Regardless, Sanchez could be non-tendered before arbitration if they assumed that he'd get more than they were willing to pay, and he would become a free agent.

[Deadpool]

We'll never know for sure, but there was very little chance of that happening. It's not like we need to save money next year and it would have been ridiculous to throw away any chance of Sanchez building any value at all (as a reliever or a starter) to save $4-5m.

 

I wouldn't have non tendered him personally, but I also wouldn't have made this trade, so my valuations are obviously not the same as the front office.

[EastCoaster]

What setback, he's on rehab assignment, also all I've heard people here say mostly is that the Stros are going to fix him(Sanchez)...

 

Also, they have Urquidy and Valdez that can start too.

 

He had a set back in the middle of July after a bullpen session then he's schedule to throw 2 innings in a rehab assignment this weekend to see how it goes. But there's no guarantees that Peacock goes back in the rotation according to Luhnow he might be in the bullpen.

 

Peacock has been on the injured list since June 28 with right shoulder soreness. He threw in a rehab assignment at Class AA Corpus Christi over the All-Star break but suffered a setback after a bullpen session on July 14.

 

General manager Jeff Luhnow said the club will assess the pitching staff after the trade deadline before deciding whether to build Peacock back up as a starter or put him in the bullpen.

 

The Astros are going to give Sanchez the opportunity to prove himself as a starter unlike most idiots think on here. If he pitches like he did in his last 2 outing he'll be penciled in the rotation. This will probably prove to be another major blunder by the Toronto Blue Jays.

[Spanky99]

He had a set back in the middle of July after a bullpen session then he's schedule to throw 2 innings in a rehab assignment this weekend to see how it goes. But there's no guarantees that Peacock goes back in the rotation according to Luhnow he might be in the bullpen.

 

Peacock has been on the injured list since June 28 with right shoulder soreness. He threw in a rehab assignment at Class AA Corpus Christi over the All-Star break but suffered a setback after a bullpen session on July 14.

 

General manager Jeff Luhnow said the club will assess the pitching staff after the trade deadline before deciding whether to build Peacock back up as a starter or put him in the bullpen.

 

The Astros are going to give Sanchez the opportunity to prove himself as a starter unlike most idiots think on here. If he pitches like he did in his last 2 outing he'll be penciled in the rotation. This will probably prove to be another major blunder by the Toronto Blue Jays.

 

I know of his recent injury mate, if you think because he just puts on their jersey for Saturday's start he'll become a demi-god you're mistaken, the same thing is happening with Sanchez as Peacock in retrospect to what they do with him after this spot start.

[EastCoaster]

I'm just going to go ahead and let you know that you're 100% wrong on this and hope you accept that. The arbitrator can come back and say "here's the figure" and the team has the right to say "okay, bye then" and the player becomes a free agent at that point.

 

Edit: just to clarify, I am not 100% sure if a player can be non-tendered AFTER arbitration, I believe that's the case, but after some cursory googling, I wasn't able to confirm or deny that. Regardless, Sanchez could be non-tendered before arbitration if they assumed that he'd get more than they were willing to pay, and he would become a free agent.

 

Stop you're making yourself look like a complete fool.

 

Players have collective bargaining agreement with MLB and MLBPA. Arbitration is part of that collective agreement if player and a team cannot come to agree on a salary for that year they use arbitration to resolve the dispute. The date a player can reach free agency is pre-determine by collective agreement not before.

 

It's a sign legal bidding contract you dummy teams or players cannot chose randomly take it or leave it don't talk so foolish.

[saskjayfan]

WTF are you talking about non tendered Sanchez was under team control till 2021 so next season if they couldn't agree on a salary it goes directly to arbitration and they decide his salary for the year.

Why are we talking about non tendering the guy if we had kept him. We have zero salary committed. If we would have kept him we absolutely would have tendered him a contact and hoped he had a better season to turn him into an asset. Why are you guys so concerned with saving Rogers money. They are the richest and now cheapest owners in the league.

[Brownie19]

Stop you're making yourself look like a complete fool.

 

Players have collective bargaining agreement with MLB and MLBPA. Arbitration is part of that collective agreement if player and a team cannot come to agree on a salary for that year they use arbitration to resolve the dispute. The date a player can reach free agency is pre-determine by collective agreement not before.

 

It's a sign legal bidding contract you dummy teams or players cannot chose randomly take it or leave it don't talk so foolish.

 

Regardless - one of the worst starting pitchers in baseball was certainly a non-tender candidate. Thank god Biagini and Stevenson have value so we can give Fisher a shot.

[Spanky99]

Stop you're making yourself look like a complete fool.

 

Players have collective bargaining agreement with MLB and MLBPA. Arbitration is part of that collective agreement if player and a team cannot come to agree on a salary for that year they use arbitration to resolve the dispute. The date a player can reach free agency is pre-determine by collective agreement not before.

 

It's a sign legal bidding contract you dummy teams or players cannot chose randomly take it or leave it don't talk so foolish.

 

I understand what he's saying, every year after the season ends there's a non-tender deadline, teams can then so choose to non tender that player and release him into free-agency after the GM meetings in December or whatever, you two were halfway there. Why so hostile, mate?

[Krylian]

Why are we talking about non tendering the guy if we had kept him. We have zero salary committed. If we would have kept him we absolutely would have tendered him a contact and hoped he had a better season to turn him into an asset. Why are you guys so concerned with saving Rogers money. They are the richest and now cheapest owners in the league.

 

Who's concerned with saving Rogers money. We're talking about what they might do, not what they should do.

 

In this case, it's a moot point now.

Edited August 2, 2019 by Krylian

[Spanky99]

I'm just going to go ahead and let you know that you're 100% wrong on this and hope you accept that. The arbitrator can come back and say "here's the figure" and the team has the right to say "okay, bye then" and the player becomes a free agent at that point.

 

Edit: just to clarify, I am not 100% sure if a player can be non-tendered AFTER arbitration, I believe that's the case, but after some cursory googling, I wasn't able to confirm or deny that. Regardless, Sanchez could be non-tendered before arbitration if they assumed that he'd get more than they were willing to pay, and he would become a free agent.

 

Stop you're making yourself look like a complete fool.

 

Players have collective bargaining agreement with MLB and MLBPA. Arbitration is part of that collective agreement if player and a team cannot come to agree on a salary for that year they use arbitration to resolve the dispute. The date a player can reach free agency is pre-determine by collective agreement not before.

 

It's a sign legal bidding contract you dummy teams or players cannot chose randomly take it or leave it don't talk so foolish.

 

Here we go...

 

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/non-tendered

 

Non-tendered

 

Definition

 

When a club "non-tenders" a player, it declines to give that player a contract for the upcoming season, thereby immediately making him a free agent. Players on the 40-man roster with fewer than six years of Major League service time must be tendered contracts each offseason by a set deadline -- typically a date in early December -- or non-tendered and released to the free-agent pool.

 

In many instances, a club will non-tender a player because it feels the raise he will receive in arbitration would be greater than his on-field value. In other cases, a club will non-tender a player simply to clear a spot on the 40-man roster -- even if that player isn't due much more than the league minimum the following season.

 

Examples

 

Henderson Alvarez was due to receive $4 million or more in arbitration following the 2015 campaign, in which he made just four starts before undergoing season-ending shoulder surgery. Rather than tender a contract to a player with major durability concerns, the Marlins non-tendered Alvarez in December 2015.

 

Also in December 2015, the Astros elected to non-tender first baseman Chris Carter rather than pay him a raise on his $4.175 million salary from the prior season. Carter had belted 90 homers with Houston from 2013-15, but he also batted just .218 while striking out in 33.7 percent of his plate appearances during that span.

 

And though James Jones was not eligible for salary arbitration and would have made scarcely more than the league minimum in 2016, the Rangers non-tendered him in December 2015 to open a 40-man roster spot for further offseason maneuvering. Texas soon re-signed Jones to a Minor League contract, keeping him in the organization without expending a 40-man roster spot.

[EastCoaster]

I understand what he's saying, every year after the season ends there's a non-tender deadline, teams can then so choose to non tender that player and release him into free-agency after the GM meetings in December or whatever, you two were halfway there. Why so hostile, mate?

 

Non tendering is for players with more than 6 years of service time. Young players are under the team collective bargaining agreement less than 3 years service is pre -arbitration after 3 year the player is arbitration eligible after the 6 year free agency.

[Spanky99]

Here we go...

 

http://m.mlb.com/glossary/transactions/non-tendered

 

Non-tendered

 

Definition

 

When a club "non-tenders" a player, it declines to give that player a contract for the upcoming season, thereby immediately making him a free agent. Players on the 40-man roster with fewer than six years of Major League service time must be tendered contracts each offseason by a set deadline -- typically a date in early December -- or non-tendered and released to the free-agent pool.

 

In many instances, a club will non-tender a player because it feels the raise he will receive in arbitration would be greater than his on-field value. In other cases, a club will non-tender a player simply to clear a spot on the 40-man roster -- even if that player isn't due much more than the league minimum the following season.

 

Examples

 

Henderson Alvarez was due to receive $4 million or more in arbitration following the 2015 campaign, in which he made just four starts before undergoing season-ending shoulder surgery. Rather than tender a contract to a player with major durability concerns, the Marlins non-tendered Alvarez in December 2015.

 

Also in December 2015, the Astros elected to non-tender first baseman Chris Carter rather than pay him a raise on his $4.175 million salary from the prior season. Carter had belted 90 homers with Houston from 2013-15, but he also batted just .218 while striking out in 33.7 percent of his plate appearances during that span.

 

And though James Jones was not eligible for salary arbitration and would have made scarcely more than the league minimum in 2016, the Rangers non-tendered him in December 2015 to open a 40-man roster spot for further offseason maneuvering. Texas soon re-signed Jones to a Minor League contract, keeping him in the organization without expending a 40-man roster spot.

 

Non tendering is for players with more than 6 years of service time. Young players are under the team collective bargaining agreement less than 3 years service is pre -arbitration after 3 year the player is arbitration eligible after the 6 year free agency.

 

Dude, there it is in black and white, above.

[Brownie19]

Rays non-tendered CJ Cron last year after a 2.1 WAR season. He had less than 6 years service time. TB realised he's not that good and likely wouldn't repeat or justify the raise he would get. Twins signed him and still have him under control next year before he becomes a FA in 2021.

[BTS]

Non tendering is for players with more than 6 years of service time. Young players are under the team collective bargaining agreement less than 3 years service is pre -arbitration after 3 year the player is arbitration eligible after the 6 year free agency.

 

You are 100% wrong. Teams non-tender arbitration-eligible players that they no longer want to retain at their project arbitration salaries. Letting a pending free agent go to free agency without offering them a contract is not what non-tendering means.

[Slade]

Justin Upton

 

Melvin Upton, maybe we get lucky and get BJ Upton.

[ItsMeMario]

He gave 3 pieces while Cashman gave nothing for Mike Tauchmann

[Bobthe4th]

Non tendering is for players with more than 6 years of service time. Young players are under the team collective bargaining agreement less than 3 years service is pre -arbitration after 3 year the player is arbitration eligible after the 6 year free agency.

 

Here’s last offseason’s non tendered players:

 

MLB list

 

Note that it includes players like Matt Bush and Ronald Torreyes who were arbitration eligible.

[Angrioter]

Non tendering is for players with more than 6 years of service time. Young players are under the team collective bargaining agreement less than 3 years service is pre -arbitration after 3 year the player is arbitration eligible after the 6 year free agency.

 

[Deadpool]

Stop you're making yourself look like a complete fool.

 

Players have collective bargaining agreement with MLB and MLBPA. Arbitration is part of that collective agreement if player and a team cannot come to agree on a salary for that year they use arbitration to resolve the dispute. The date a player can reach free agency is pre-determine by collective agreement not before.

 

It's a sign legal bidding contract you dummy teams or players cannot chose randomly take it or leave it don't talk so foolish.

 

This post is hilarious. Seriously, calling me a "dummy" and "a complete fool" while being 100% wrong. You, my friend, need to shut the f***ing f*** up until you learn some s***, okay?