GDT Game 2/4 Angels @ Jays

[King]

I know this might be a dumb question but could Stroman fetch Yordan Alvarez from the Astros?

lol

[Spanky99]

I know this might be a dumb question but could Stroman fetch Yordan Alvarez from the Astros?

 

We shall conclude, this was indeed a dumb question. Dude's been mashing at VGJ numbers as a 1B.

[Spanky99]

That was impressive by Robles.

[gruber92]

We shall conclude, this was indeed a dumb question. Dude's been mashing at VGJ numbers as a 1B.

 

I guessed i should have checked his numbers and projections before asking. I didn't know much about him until recently.

[JFD]

he'd make a good ballerina

[Spanky99]

I guessed i should have checked his numbers and projections before asking. I didn't know much about him until recently.

 

That's fine.

[Olerud363]

We shall conclude, this was indeed a dumb question. Dude's been mashing at VGJ numbers as a 1B.

 

Dude is having a better year in the minors than Vlad last year and carried it over for his first week in the majors. He has 27 homeruns between the majors and the minors. He might be leading all of baseball in homers. There is the cavaet that he is a year and a half older than Vlad, and it's only been a week in the majors... but he's the real deal.

[tbad]

The s*** show never ends, good god

[Spanky99]

Dude is having a better year in the minors than Vlad last year and carried it over for his first week in the majors. He has 27 homeruns between the majors and the minors. He might be leading all of baseball in homers. There is the cavaet that he is a year and a half older than Vlad, and it's only been a week in the majors... but he's the real deal.

 

So is Vlad, Olerud.

[Krylian]

So you'd be okay with a below value return? These scenario's all remain to be seen or come to fruition, if we don't get proper value, is that on Atkins or Stro?

 

It's on Atkins. Stro isn't a pending FA so there's no need to move him for a s*** return. That said, Stroman is in his prime and he wants to win... it's all he talks about. I think it's a pretty safe guess that he'd relish the opportunity to be dealt to a contender. I don't see why we'd be getting a lousy return. He wouldn't be a rental. He's having a solid season. He's been healthy. Pitching is always at a premium. All the ingredients are there for good pieces to be coming back.

[glory]

Because he wants to win, not be part of a rebuild.

 

Because his ego won't let him sign a reasonable extension.

 

Because he's our most valuable trade chip and this team needs to keep adding young controllable talent.

 

... Take your pick.

 

Stroman's also very outspoken, and has been publicly critical of Shatkins, so that might rub them the wrong way as well.

 

I just don't see them coming to an agreement. I hope they do, as I don't think we will get nearly as much back for him as some people seem to think, but I have already prepared for him to be moved. It's only a matter of time.

[Spanky99]

It's on Atkins. Stro isn't a pending FA so there's no need to move him for a s*** return. That said, Stroman is in his prime and he wants to win... it's all he talks about. I think it's a pretty safe guess that he'd relish the opportunity to be dealt to a contender. I don't see why we'd be getting a lousy return. He wouldn't be a rental. He's having a solid season. He's been healthy. Pitching is always at a premium. All the ingredients are there for good pieces to be coming back.

 

Thanks mate, I agree with all of this.

[DigitalRock]

Why can pitchers pitch to Vlad like they do to Alonso. Fastball down the middle every AB

 

It's called getting in fastball/ hitter counts. Vlad is chasing a bit right now he will adjust.

[Olerud363]

So is Vlad, Olerud.

 

I didn't say Vlad wasn't. Just said Alvarez is the better performer as of now, with the obvious caveat that it's only been 8 games, he's almost 2 years older, and his past minor league numbers are worse than Vlad's.

 

So logic will dictate that Vlad will be better.

 

My own feeling is Vlad will be better when he stops swinging so much at marginal pitch's both outside the zone, and on the corners. Ground ball rate is a bit high because he is swinging at to many sinkers on the corners.

[Spanky99]

I didn't say Vlad wasn't. Just said Alvarez is the better performer as of now, with the obvious caveat that it's only been 8 games, he's almost 2 years older, and his past minor league numbers are worse than Vlad's.

 

So logic will dictate that Vlad will be better.

 

My own feeling is Vlad will be better when he stops swinging so much at marginal pitch's both outside the zone, and on the corners. Ground ball rate is a bit high because he is swinging at to many sinkers on the corners.

 

I agree with that. Though he takes those pitches oppo a lot, too.

[Olerud363]

It's called getting in fastball/ hitter counts. Vlad is chasing a bit right now he will adjust.

 

If you look into the numbers and just watch the games it's obvious that this is a problem.

 

He's swinging too much at marginal pitches. pulling too many groundballs, and not pulling line drives and fly balls. So his hard contact is to center, and he's pulling ground balls, which means they can shift on him, and he will underperform his hard contact rates.

 

There is no reason this trend should continue, as others (like Blue Rocky) have pointed out he pulled a lot of hard contact in the minors, and hopefully eventually he'll realize it's no fun to keep pulling low and away sinkers into the infield shift, and just wait for pitch's he can drive.

[Olerud363]

I agree with that. Though he takes those pitches oppo a lot, too.

 

Admittedly the Vlad Hype, combined with Soto and Acuno coming up at 19/20 and being instantly polished hitters got the expectations too high.

 

For better or worse Cito Gaston shaped my impression of hitting coach's. Cito was always taking credit for hitter's accomplishments (but rarely taking blame for their failures) and gave the impression that with the right hitting advice, a hitter can turn around their career.

 

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4. 2008: Bautista works with Cito Gaston and Dwayne Murphy

Months after John Gibbons was fired as Blue Jays manager and Cito Gaston was re-hired, Bautista teamed up with the former two-time World Series champion. A former hitting coach himself, Gaston was revered for his ability to get the most out of hitters.

 

It also happened that Bautista started working with first base coach and soon-to-be hitting coach Dwayne Murphy. The trio together helped fix Bautista's timing issues at the plate and they introduced his now-famous leg kick.

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Murph and Gaston claimed they fixed Bautista. This kind of thing sometimes makes me think that the right coach's can identify hitter's flaws and get them on the right track. Thus my frustrations with the current coaching staff. Ironically I blamed Murph and Gaston for ruining other hitters like Snider and Olerud. That being said I always figured that if you get the right coach's that can work with each hitter's strengths and weaknesses it can make a big difference.

 

Maybe that's just ********... for the most part hitters do what they are going to do, Major league coach's are all pretty much top notch, all hitters are getting good advice and it's up to the hitters to implement the advice they are getting.

[Spanky99]

Admittedly the Vlad Hype, combined with Soto and Acuno coming up at 19/20 and being instantly polished hitters got the expectations too high.

 

For better or worse Cito Gaston shaped my impression of hitting coach's. Cito was always taking credit for hitter's accomplishments (but rarely taking blame for their failures) and gave the impression that with the right hitting advice, a hitter can turn around their career.

 

_________________________________________________________

4. 2008: Bautista works with Cito Gaston and Dwayne Murphy

Months after John Gibbons was fired as Blue Jays manager and Cito Gaston was re-hired, Bautista teamed up with the former two-time World Series champion. A former hitting coach himself, Gaston was revered for his ability to get the most out of hitters.

 

It also happened that Bautista started working with first base coach and soon-to-be hitting coach Dwayne Murphy. The trio together helped fix Bautista's timing issues at the plate and they introduced his now-famous leg kick.

_____________________________________________________________________

 

Murph and Gaston claimed they fixed Bautista. This kind of thing sometimes makes me think that the right coach's can identify hitter's flaws and get them on the right track. Thus my frustrations with the current coaching staff. Ironically I blamed Murph and Gaston for ruining other hitters like Snider and Olerud. That being said I always figured that if you get the right coach's that can work with each hitter's strengths and weaknesses it can make a big difference.

 

Maybe that's just ********... for the most part hitters do what they are going to do, Major league coach's are all pretty much top notch, all hitters are getting good advice and it's up to the hitters to implement the advice they are getting.

 

Holy f***, man.

[DigitalRock]

If you look into the numbers and just watch the games it's obvious that this is a problem.

 

He's swinging too much at marginal pitches. pulling too many groundballs, and not pulling line drives and fly balls. So his hard contact is to center, and he's pulling ground balls, which means they can shift on him, and he will underperform his hard contact rates.

 

There is no reason this trend should continue, as others (like Blue Rocky) have pointed out he pulled a lot of hard contact in the minors, and hopefully eventually he'll realize it's no fun to keep pulling low and away sinkers into the infield shift, and just wait for pitch's he can drive.

 

Exactly, lots of swinging at breaking balls away off the plate, he's in a hole a lot, I expect that will change , he will adjust. He is in between a bit right now, taking good pitches, chasing borderline ones.

[BlueRocky]

We just gotta remember, a typical prospect at Vlad’s age should be in Lansing/Dunedin right now.

His numbers hitting out of the no. 2 spot has been good, he’s not going to pull batting title numbers in his rookie year at 20.

He’s also facing most of these guys for the first time, and young hitters want to hit every borderline pitch. He’ll learn to pick his spots and lay off/eliminate certain pitches which will give him better counts. This will all happen with time.

[Daniel Labude]

It's called getting in fastball/ hitter counts. Vlad is chasing a bit right now he will adjust.

 

Hitters are getting meat fastballs in pitchers counts all over baseball...so not really

[Daniel Labude]

Admittedly the Vlad Hype, combined with Soto and Acuno coming up at 19/20 and being instantly polished hitters got the expectations too high.

 

For better or worse Cito Gaston shaped my impression of hitting coach's. Cito was always taking credit for hitter's accomplishments (but rarely taking blame for their failures) and gave the impression that with the right hitting advice, a hitter can turn around their career.

 

_________________________________________________________

4. 2008: Bautista works with Cito Gaston and Dwayne Murphy

Months after John Gibbons was fired as Blue Jays manager and Cito Gaston was re-hired, Bautista teamed up with the former two-time World Series champion. A former hitting coach himself, Gaston was revered for his ability to get the most out of hitters.

 

It also happened that Bautista started working with first base coach and soon-to-be hitting coach Dwayne Murphy. The trio together helped fix Bautista's timing issues at the plate and they introduced his now-famous leg kick.

_____________________________________________________________________

 

Murph and Gaston claimed they fixed Bautista. This kind of thing sometimes makes me think that the right coach's can identify hitter's flaws and get them on the right track. Thus my frustrations with the current coaching staff. Ironically I blamed Murph and Gaston for ruining other hitters like Snider and Olerud. That being said I always figured that if you get the right coach's that can work with each hitter's strengths and weaknesses it can make a big difference.

 

Maybe that's just ********... for the most part hitters do what they are going to do, Major league coach's are all pretty much top notch, all hitters are getting good advice and it's up to the hitters to implement the advice they are getting.

 

Wasnt it a player that fixed Bautista...not coaching

[Spanky99]

VGJ last 30 games... wRC+ 121

[DigitalRock]

Hitters are getting meat fastballs in pitchers counts all over baseball...so not really

 

LMAO....hitters get better pitches to hit in hitters counts more often..this is a fact.... No one insinuated you don't get pitches to hit any other counts.

[Deadpool]

LMAO....hitters get better pitches to hit in hitters counts more often..this is a fact.... No one insinuated you don't get pitches to hit any other counts.

 

I mean, he struck out yesterday (or the game before?) after getting to a 3-0 count, so it's not like he's never in good counts or anything.