General 2019 Blue Jays Discussion Thread

[glory]

I actually think Fisher has some upside with the bat (especially if he improves his launch angle). With that said, you guys are fooling yourself if you don't see a bat first profile in him. He does have speed, so he won't be Kendrys on the base paths (hopefully), but again, he's going to be a player whose bat determines what he's doing five years from now. That's where the upside is. Not the glove. The only reason Alford is even talked about at this point is he's (allegedly) a capable defensive CF. If Fisher could do that, then this wouldn't be a discussion.

 

I'll agree with the main point mentioned here, and that is our OF sucks. Sign/trade for a real CF this winter and this discussion changes quickly.

[Abomination]

I've been wondering this too. Fisher has graded out as a plus outfielder and average baserunner in almost a full season of MLB time. I haven't seen a single game of his, but I'm pretty sure people are overreacting to him losing a ball in the sun and having it hit him in the face.

 

He's had a number of balls he's lost and looked bad on, and others where he's looked fantastic. The talent is definitely there. I still think he's just not seeing some balls.

[gruber92]

If Joe Maddon somehow gets canned this year, Shapiro better be all over that s***.

[Boxcar]

If Joe Maddon somehow gets canned this year, Shapiro better be all over that s***.

 

Did you not watch the 2016 WS? Big no thanks.

 

Just because he's a name you recognize doesn't automatically mean he's good.

[jaysguy44]

Did you not watch the 2016 WS? Big no thanks.

 

Just because he's a name you recognize doesn't automatically mean he's good.

 

This

[bones10]

Are they going to be in on Cole?

[Krylian]

Are they going to be in on Cole?

 

Lol

[Slade]

If Joe Maddon somehow gets canned this year, Shapiro better be all over that s***.

 

I like this idea, it makes a lot of sense. We are just a Joe Maddon away from a WS.

 

Are they going to be in on Cole?

 

No.

[Spanky99]

Are they going to be in on Cole?

 

Lol

 

No.

 

Why? I certainly hope the Jays kick tires on Cole, that would be utterly stupid to not try and get arguably the best pitcher in the game. Now whether he kicks the Jays to the curb is a different story, we certainly have the money, my answer is yes, bones.

[Krylian]

Why? I certainly hope the Jays kick tires on Cole, that would be utterly stupid to not try and get arguably the best pitcher in the game. Now whether he kicks the Jays to the curb is a different story, we certainly have the money, my answer is yes, bones.

 

I don't have to walk through fire to know it's hot. I don't need to stab myself in the eye with a rusty screwdriver to know it'll hurt. And I don't need to wait until the offseason plays out to know that Shapiro/Rogers/Atkins won't be pursuing Gerrit Cole.

 

But ok.... Let's wait and see anyway.

[Spanky99]

I don't have to walk through fire to know it's hot. I don't need to stab myself in the eye with a rusty screwdriver to know it'll hurt. And I don't need to wait until the offseason plays out to know that Shapiro/Rogers/Atkins won't be pursuing Gerrit Cole.

 

But ok.... Let's wait and see anyway.

 

 

Saying they won't be pursuing him, would be lazy ignorant management. You sir, are wrong.

[Brownie19]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/oliver-drake-changed-his-game-and-found-a-home/

 

Surprised we couldn't find some innings for Drake this year. He's been worth 0.5 WAR+ for 3 straight years now.

[Krylian]

 

Saying they won't be pursuing him, would be lazy ignorant management. You sir, are wrong.

 

As I said, let's wait it out. I'm going with the side of history. These types of FA's do not sign in Toronto.

 

And no, I don't consider a token 5 year, $125M offer as being 'in on him'.

[Slade]

You guys just want to hear that the Jays tried for him?

[Spanky99]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/oliver-drake-changed-his-game-and-found-a-home/

 

Surprised we couldn't find some innings for Drake this year. He's been worth 0.5 WAR+ for 3 straight years now.

 

This was brought up a while back, but missed opportunity for sure, that Change is filthy.

[Spanky99]

You guys just want to hear that the Jays tried for him?

 

That was bones question, no? I don't think Cole will come here, but I'm sure we have the money to entice him, or make him think twice. He's exactly what this team needs.

[Spanky99]

As I said, let's wait it out. I'm going with the side of history. These types of FA's do not sign in Toronto.

 

And no, I don't consider a token 5 year, $125M offer as being 'in on him'.

 

He asked if the Jays would be in on Cole, not the result.

[BTS]

As I said, let's wait it out. I'm going with the side of history. These types of FA's do not sign in Toronto.

 

And no, I don't consider a token 5 year, $125M offer as being 'in on him'.

 

I don't think anyone expects him to come here, but I'll still be annoyed if I don't hear that Shatkins has offered him like $210 million.

[Laika]

I don't think anyone expects him to come here, but I'll still be annoyed if I don't hear that Shatkins has offered him like $210 million.

 

I would imagine that it's not some small investment of time and resources to put together a formal MLB contract offer to a big free agent.

 

If it's patently obvious that Cole would not ultimately sign in Toronto, then no, I don't think Shatkins is under some moral obligation to make him a competitive offer. In that case they should focus their time and efforts on acquisitions that are at least remotely possible. To do anything else is just PR.

[Krylian]

He asked if the Jays would be in on Cole, not the result.

 

And like I said, what's your definition of 'in on'. Making a phonecall? Fine. Every team in the league will be 'in on' Cole. But I'm talking about a serious run at him. There will be no serious attempt there.

[Spanky99]

I would imagine that it's not some small investment of time and resources to put together a formal MLB contract offer to a big free agent.

 

If it's patently obvious that Cole would not ultimately sign in Toronto, then no, I don't think Shatkins is under some moral obligation to make him a competitive offer. In that case they should focus their time and efforts on acquisitions that are at least remotely possible. To do anything else is just PR.

 

Well, sure that's good, if the asking price is astronomical, I'm sure they'll throw their hat in the ring.

[Spanky99]

And like I said, what's your definition of 'in on'. Making a phonecall? Fine. Every team in the league will be 'in on' Cole. But I'm talking about a serious run at him. There will be no serious attempt there.

 

See, this is a proper answer, that's your opinion.

[Krylian]

See, this is a proper answer, that's your opinion.

 

Well of course. Most everything that's written here is someone's opinion. That's why I said let's wait it out. That way, we can all see, without a doubt, that your opinion was wrong.

[Spanky99]

Who could outbid the Jays if they really wanted him in an overpay?

[Spanky99]

Well of course. Most everything that's written here is someone's opinion. That's why I said let's wait it out. That way, we can all see, without a doubt, that your opinion was wrong.

 

lol... fair enough? But Bones question wasn't "lol'', like you inferred. Hahaha... so I'm right!

[glory]

He's a Boras guy right? So he'll want more than Price (7/217) on a seven year deal, or more AAV than Greinke (6/206, $34m aav) on a six year deal. That's usually how Boras operates, wanting to beat the previous high.

 

Anyone who thinks Shatkins will go anywhere near there are in for a disappointment.

[Krylian]

Who could outbid the Jays if they really wanted him in an overpay?

 

Very few. But I don't see them wanting to overpay. I feel that the Vernon Wells extension really left a bad taste in their mouth and they haven't been gung ho about getting into 9 digit deals again. Can I back that up? Not with anything concrete other than they haven't done it since. I don't think that's by accident.

 

Remember, Rogers isn't really doing that well right now. Look at how they're canning all their high paid TV/radio personalities. That NHL deal has been a complete bomb. I don't know how much that impacts future payroll, but it is a consideration.

[Spanky99]

Very few. But I don't see them wanting to overpay. I feel that the Vernon Wells extension really left a bad taste in their mouth and they haven't been gung ho about getting into 9 digit deals again. Can I back that up? Not with anything concrete other than they haven't done it since. I don't think that's by accident.

 

Remember, Rogers isn't really doing that well right now. Look at how they're canning all their high paid TV/radio personalities. That NHL deal has been a complete bomb. I don't know how much that impacts future payroll, but it is a consideration.

 

Interesting theory... my question though, who could off hand?

[Spanky99]

He's a Boras guy right? So he'll want more than Price (7/217) on a seven year deal, or more AAV than Greinke (6/206, $34m aav) on a six year deal. That's usually how Boras operates, wanting to beat the previous high.

 

Anyone who thinks Shatkins will go anywhere near there are in for a disappointment.

 

So 7/238 would be their initial asking price you think? That seems about right for the reasons you said, if so.

[Krylian]

Interesting theory... my question though, who could off hand?

 

The usual suspects...

 

Giants, Braves, Tigers have money but no one is going there, Nationals, Yankees, Red Sox, Cardinals, Twins have money but won't spend it, Dodgers, Rangers, Angels, Cubs, Orioles have money but LOL, Astros, A's won't spend,