Billy Mckinney top comparables

[Olerud363]

I've seen a bunch of Billy Mckinney is the next Justin Upton comments.

 

I'm well aware this is a reference to Grant comparing McKinney to Upton, however is Grant just being passive aggressive because of a previous discussion on Justin Upton?? Like I kind of remember Grant dissing Upton in the past, and now this is his way to show us all that Upton isn't that great, Upton is at about the level of a 15th rated prospect.

 

Why else would you compare a 15th rated, 23 year old, left handed outfielder, without great speed, to a guy who was a teenage sensation, number 1 overall prospect, is headed for a 50 WAR career?? Upton is a guy who will have 50 WAR, and we're all dissapointed, because he was so athletic and highly rated.

 

McKinney is a guy who if he pulls of 15 WAR it would be amazing.

 

I spent 20 minutes looking for the best McKinney comparables. I wanted to be fair and come up with a top end, middle range, and lower range comparables. I wanted to compare him to left handed batters, as it will effect his playing time (guys like McKinney are often platooned and became 120 game guys). I wanted to compare him to guys who began at the same age (23-25).

 

I came up with Bobby Higginson (high end 23 career WAR), Jacque Jones (14 WAR), and Fred Lewis (4 WAR).

 

Why again are we comparing McKinney to Upton??

[Olerud363]

Also, before this gets out of hand, I don't think he's Bobby Higginson, that's like the ultimate best case. More often then not guys like McKinney just become Fred Lewis. Again it would be awesome if he surprises us.

 

Also. I realize if I start dissing McKinney I'll sound like Tercet dissing Teoscar. The problem I have with Tercet, isn't that he's wrong, it's just that he could say the same thing about every average outfield prospect. Teoscar, McKinney, Alford, Wall, Pompey, Lundquist in a couple of years...

 

1. None of them are Justin Upton. They are all atleast 2 years older than Upton was when he established himself in the majors.

2. If you want to be right on average just predict they'll all fail or be mediocre.

3. If you are an expert scout prove it by picking out the one that will surprise, and going and on about him through thick and thin, until he finally surprises us all by becoming a (late blooming) version of Justin Upton.

[Farm]

Cool

[Krylian]

[Olerud363]

 

That's a great response Krylian.

 

So do you then agree that Billy Mckinney is the next Justin Upton? It seems you do?? Unlike the newer generation, I am not comfortable communicating with gif's so I will attempt to translate Data's odd look into your words, just to make sure I can understand what you are saying.

 

TRANSLATION OF KRYLIAN'S GIF BEGINS

 

I have this to say. It is so obvious that Billy Mckinney is the next Justin Upton that there is no need to discuss it. The number of words dedicated to the subject insults me. I will not even bother to give a reply. Here is a picture of Data giving an odd look.

 

The idea of "comparables" that one player's performance can be deduced by the similar players that came before insults me, as it should any decent human being.

 

This discussion must end. From this day forth we will only communicate in gifs and memes.

 

TRANSLATION OF KRYLIAN'S GIF ENDS

 

Give me a holler if I got your translation wrong. Just throw out a different gif that better convey's your idea and I'll translate it. Eventually you'll get the right gif to convey your thoughts.

[Olerud363]

Cool

 

Great response Farm. I am going to translate these responses, as I don't have a good grasp of meme's, gifs and "yobros" (slang for very short replies).

 

Grant's thoughts - Billy Mckinney's number one comparable is Justin Upton.

Olerud363 thought's - Billy Mckinney's best comparables are guys like Higginson, Jaque Jones, and Fred Lewis, likely more to the Lewis side of things.

 

Farm's thoughts - "cool" (translation, this thread insults me, Mckinney is obviously Justin Upton, other comparables are a bad idea)

Krylian's thoughts - "Data giving an odd look" (translation, this thread insults me, McKinney is obviously Justin Upton, other comparables are a bad idea).

 

I am very much a fan of crowd sourcing. At first I thought Grant's Justin Upton comparison was so strange he must have ulterior motives. However now it seems a lot of people agree with him. I'll keep a running talley.

 

My thought is that Billy McKinney is comparable to Justin Upton - 3 posters have agreed with this through words, meme's or a "yobro".

My thought is that Billy McKinney is not comparable to Justin Upton - 1 poster (using words) has conveyed this view.

[King]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/embarassed-for-u.gif

[BTS]

If Billy McKinney has a Justin Upton career we all need to delete our accounts.

[Farm]

This was excellent analysis but I'm more intrigued about the possibility of injuries to Vlad Guerrero Jr. from now to 2041.

[Pendleton]

[Krylian]

 

Do Pendleton next, Olerud!!!

[wamco]

Thanks for the research Olerud. Very interesting. Keep it up. Best poster on the forum

[Deadpool]

Based on absolutely nothing, I'm calling Teoscar/Mckinney the next Reed Johnson/Frank Catalanotto platoon.

[Olerud363]

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/embarassed-for-u.gif

 

That look says to me "Billy Mckinney the next Upton?? Pardon me??" So I will put you in the "No, Billy Mckinney is not the next Upton camp". Let me know if misunderstood. Like I said I don't quite get the gifs all the time.

 

Running talley

 

Pro "Mckinney is the next Upton" - 3

Con "Mckinney is not the next Upton" -2

[Olerud363]

Based on absolutely nothing, I'm calling Teoscar/Mckinney the next Reed Johnson/Frank Catalanotto platoon.

 

I'm also putting WAMCO and Deadpool in the no camp. They answered in sentences, which I find easier to understand then gifs, mems and fragments, but it is always possible I misunderstood, so as always correct me if I am wrong. A Mckinney/Teoscar platoon would be interesting that's for sure, and would inevitably bring about fond memories of past platoons, Jonhson/Cat, Mullinicks/Iorg, etc.

 

Mckinney is the next Justin Upton - 3

Mckinney is not the next Justin Upton - 4

[Krylian]

If we corrected you when you were wrong we'd never get anything else done.

[jimedmonds]

Upton and McKinney are as different from each other as night and day.

[Deadpool]

Upton and McKinney are as different from each other as night and day.

 

Racist...

[Pendleton]

Do Pendleton next, Olerud!!!

 

I thought I made my vote pretty clear but apparently not

[Boxcar]

McKinney is 100% the next Justin Upton.

[Jonn]

While we are here can I slap a Dan Uggla comp on Cavan Biggio. K thanks.

[Daniel Labude]

Comparable would be Nimmo honestly

[Spanky__99]

Cliff Floyd minus the SB.

[Olerud363]

Upton and McKinney are as different from each other as night and day.

 

I was thinking about that. And maybe it's unfair only to compare McKinney to right handed hitters too.

 

What about Marcel Ozuna?? Does that work better than the Upton comparison?? I think so. Ozuna started at 22, not 19, so he's closer to the age McKinney started. So I think Ozuna is a good comparison if you don't want to be racist.

[tercet]

f***in christ everytime a player comes up puts up godly stats over a few games/weeks and idiots think they will keep this up.

 

When will this f***in s*** end

[Olerud363]

 

I would have to say that this is quite interesting. I don't know what it means yet, but I like the effort. There is a complicated message in there, and it might take some time to understand it.

 

hmmmm... maybe your just trying to show me what my posts look like to the rest of you. Kind of weird, kind of out there, kind of all over the place.

[baubau]

f***in christ everytime a player comes up puts up godly stats over a few games/weeks and idiots think they will keep this up.

 

When will this f***in s*** end

 

Look, I am not saying he's the next Trout. Obviously. Trout is RHH. McKinney is LHH. He's the next Harper. Like 2015 MVP Harper, not this .247 BA 2018 Harper.

[Olerud363]

Cliff Floyd minus the SB.

 

I'm sure you remember that Floyd was the best prospect in all of baseball http://www.thebaseballcube.com/prospects/byYear.asp?Y=1994&Src=BA

 

Just pointing it out, because I am sure a lot of the younger posters don't remember that. And forget that Alex Gonzales (ss) used to be a hugely rated prospect. His age 20 aa season was very close to Bo's. There were differences. Gonzales didn't have the overall hitting record Bo does, but was more highly regarded as a short stop.

 

Mckinney is the Jays 18th overall prospect http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=tor

 

It is pretty exciting that our 18th overall prospect is getting compared to former baseball America number 1 overall prospects.

[Olerud363]

Look, I am not saying he's the next Trout. Obviously. Trout is RHH. McKinney is LHH. He's the next Harper. Like 2015 MVP Harper, not this .247 BA 2018 Harper.

 

I like the comparisons, go for broke and compare him to the best in the game. There are a lot of different ways to approach this.

 

1. Realistic - compare McKinney to players who hit like him in the minors and got 100 at bats as a 23 year old.

2. Optimistic - compare McKinney to players who hit like him in the minors and surprised us in the majors.

3. Racist - compare McKinney to players who are the same race and handedness as him.

4. Ridiculous - compare McKinney to the best players in the game.

 

But Justin Upton?? It's just so completely random.

[Spanky__99]

I'm sure you remember that Floyd was the best prospect in all of baseball http://www.thebaseballcube.com/prospects/byYear.asp?Y=1994&Src=BA

 

Just pointing it out, because I am sure a lot of the younger posters don't remember that. And forget that Alex Gonzales (ss) used to be a hugely rated prospect. His age 20 aa season was very close to Bo's. There were differences. Gonzales didn't have the overall hitting record Bo does, but was more highly regarded as a short stop.

 

Mckinney is the Jays 18th overall prospect http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2018?list=tor

 

It is pretty exciting that our 18th overall prospect is getting compared to former baseball America number 1 overall prospects.

 

So f***ing what Olerud, McKinney was a 1st round pick and highly touted, have you thunk of that, you asked for a comp, I gave you one.

 

What are you looking for in all this, a laugh or the fact the process of spects is a crapshoot, f*** off right now, I'm irritated. It is what it f***ing is, there's no science to it.