Please call up Vlad Guerrero Jr. Thread

[Nafro]

Wrong you don't lose a year of control, he'd have to stay down till the second week of April '19 to save the extra year of control.

 

Please do this ^

[bones10]

We even said please and everything!

[Jonn]

It would be nice if he wasn't making it so f***ing hard for them lol. Hes hitting .435 and its almost June and his average is actually climbing not dropping. What he is doing is absurd. Having him here right now just doesn't make any sense. This team with no pitching isn't going to do f*** all. And our offence wasn't very good to start with. They have to at least get him past the super-2 threshold. Unless he gets hurts no way we could go until mid April 2019 to call him up. I mean the Cubs were ostracised for doing that with Kris Byrant but nobody really talks about it anymore.

[BlueRocky]

Rogers will try.

They will hold him down as long as possible. It’ll be pretty funny to see the excuses they come up with over the course the season.

 

When your prospect goes 2/5 and his average goes down, I think he should at least move up to AAA.

[John_Havok]

There's significant risk in giving guaranteed $ to a 19 year old kid too. Does he take defense and his weight/shape as seriously if he has $100 Million in back pocket. What about all the distractions Toronto has to offer. (They'll be there anyway but having all that money at such a young age adds to it).

 

I still would be in favour of signing him now given that you could be looking at $40-$50 Million per FA year once he hits FA but all factors the FO puts into consideration I'm sure. No way he signs for 6/40 with $20M club options though.

 

A 19 year old doesn't have any leverage though. When a guy like Donaldson who earned his 60 million through arbitration when his results on the field backed it up (and more) how would a 19 year old be in any position to hold out for something similar or more?

 

I think if Shatkins offered Vlad Jr 10/100 in a framework i mentioned above he'd be in the lineup tomorrow. It would be the height of insanity for any 19 year old to turn something like that down.

[Jimcanuck]

Jim, stop referring to everyone who disagrees with you as a half wit when most people here would use that descriptor for you.

 

says the great defender of free speech

[King]

Vlad hitting .438

[FrozenRopes]

Vlad hitting .438

 

In the minors, where he will stay this year, other than a roster expanded call up.

[King]

I'm surprised pitchers are still pitching to him

[Nafro]

I'm surprised pitchers are still pitching to him

 

He probably should be leading the league in walks, at this point.

[Jonn]

I'm surprised pitchers are still pitching to him

 

I think it would be stupid to tell prospects to pitch around hitters in the minor leagues.

[burlingtonbandit]

A 19 year old doesn't have any leverage though. When a guy like Donaldson who earned his 60 million through arbitration when his results on the field backed it up (and more) how would a 19 year old be in any position to hold out for something similar or more?

 

I think if Shatkins offered Vlad Jr 10/100 in a framework i mentioned above he'd be in the lineup tomorrow. It would be the height of insanity for any 19 year old to turn something like that down.

 

If it was a guaranteed $100M then yeah I think he takes it. If it was 6/40 with 4 club options than no it wouldn't make sense. Lindor turned down $100M after the 2016 Season I believe and that was with 5 years left before FA.

 

Vladdy really doesn't have to worry about $ thanks to his father like most of the other Latin Americans so perhaps he and his agency prefers to wait it out. Him being 19 honestly works in his favour. If he is called up this year he's a FA when he's 25 years old.

[DigitalRock]

Vlad hitting .438

 

(Masturbates Profusely)

[Krylian]

Vladdy's line in May...

 

.478/.519/.837/1.356

[ColdPint]

There’s already a lot of heat and head scratching now from fans asking why he’s not up yet.

 

Not that it should influence key decisions but we’ve seen the Jays avoid tearing it down because of the fear of losing the fan base.

 

There’s no chance he spends another year in MILB.

[King]

Vlad could hit. 400 in the MLB

[King]

Organization is getting close to embarrassment now. I know they're trying to stretch it out in AA so they can get him to AAA for the rest of the year, but they should just get him to AAA now. Just get him to AAA and spike his Gatorade with sedatives so he struggles for a month and you can ride it out until next April.

 

You have to do something to save face

 

Pass him the bong - weed suspension for the rest of the season

[King]

Fabricate a domestic abuse story

[Krylian]

Fabricate a domestic abuse story

 

Real classy.

[John_Havok]

If it was a guaranteed $100M then yeah I think he takes it. If it was 6/40 with 4 club options than no it wouldn't make sense. Lindor turned down $100M after the 2016 Season I believe and that was with 5 years left before FA.

 

Vladdy really doesn't have to worry about $ thanks to his father like most of the other Latin Americans so perhaps he and his agency prefers to wait it out. Him being 19 honestly works in his favour. If he is called up this year he's a FA when he's 25 years old.

 

In theory yeah, but 1 injury and it's goodbye. I know it's not as likely as with a pitching prospect, but it would still be awfully hard to turn down 6/40 guaranteed.

 

That would still be precedent setting money. Longoria's guarantee was for 17.5... Kingery was 21.5.

[Krylian]

What do you think the reaction would be if Vladdy gets injured...a significant injury... While he's down in AA?

[burlingtonbandit]

In theory yeah, but 1 injury and it's goodbye. I know it's not as likely as with a pitching prospect, but it would still be awfully hard to turn down 6/40 guaranteed.

 

That would still be precedent setting money. Longoria's guarantee was for 17.5... Kingery was 21.5.

 

Unless he gets injured so badly he's paralyzed or forced to retire he's going to get tendered a contract each year. Like what young position player star has had an injury like that in the last 10 years?

 

If its 6/40 with no team options then yeah he probably takes it but theres not enough upside for the Jays to even offer that really. Maybe with 2 club options at $20-25 Million.

 

You just don't see top 5 prospects sign pre-arb long term deals often anymore. (Correa, Bryant, Harper, Lindor, Betts, Boagarts etc..) Non Boras agents have finally realized how lopsided they are for the teams and your best deal is to become a FA as young as possible like Heyward.

[Brownie19]

Pass him the bong - weed suspension for the rest of the season

 

Just sign Jon Singleton and send him to AA to DH

[Brownie19]

There’s already a lot of heat and head scratching now from fans asking why he’s not up yet.

 

Not that it should influence key decisions but we’ve seen the Jays avoid tearing it down because of the fear of losing the fan base.

 

There’s no chance he spends another year in MILB.

 

Holy assumptions Batman!

[Maahfaace]

Unless he gets injured so badly he's paralyzed or forced to retire he's going to get tendered a contract each year. Like what young position player star has had an injury like that in the last 10 years?

Jose Fernandez

Oscar Tavares

Yordano Ventura

Nick Adenhart

[John_Havok]

Unless he gets injured so badly he's paralyzed or forced to retire he's going to get tendered a contract each year. Like what young position player star has had an injury like that in the last 10 years?

 

If its 6/40 with no team options then yeah he probably takes it but theres not enough upside for the Jays to even offer that really. Maybe with 2 club options at $20-25 Million.

 

You just don't see top 5 prospects sign pre-arb long term deals often anymore. (Correa, Bryant, Harper, Lindor, Betts, Boagarts etc..) Non Boras agents have finally realized how lopsided they are for the teams and your best deal is to become a FA as young as possible like Heyward.

 

Yeah, but all but 1 of those top guys are playing for teams that don't care about money and have no issues rolling the dice on elite talent and keeping them for as cheaply as possible while they are young, paying big in arbitration then picking and choosing which to keep long term.

 

I don't see the Jays as that kind of team because of their ownership situation. I know they are one of the richest owners in the game and should have no problem paying any layer to keep them, but since the Jays are part of a publicly traded company, they won't ever be the biggest spenders and will always have a tighter fist on the payroll. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it is. They not the Rays... but they aren't the Dodgers or Yankees either. The upper end of the middle tier is where they will stay payroll wise.

 

That's why something like a 10 year/100 deal makes more sense, they're paying more than they really need to, and the player in the 6/40 contract is getting nearly 80% of an MVPs pay guaranteed. That's pretty sweet.

 

The other thing that both sides will be considering is the boatloads of cash the upcoming FA class will receive. It would greatly benefit the Jays to lock him up before those deals are done, as it would likely greatly benefit Vlad to wait. The cost per win is gonna go up, and players salaries across the board are going to benefit from it.

[jaysblue]

Two possibilities:

 

1) Vladdy will get called up in June. If the Jays are just hovering around .500 and continue to not get many fans at the games as they would like, they will call him up after the draft to spark interest in the team. As well, adding a bat like Vladdy to the lineup right now likely helps this team more than anything and could propel them to get back into the race.

 

2) If the Jays decide to trade Josh Donaldson at the trade deadline or befere, they will call up Vlad right away to play 3B to avoid the fan backlash against Rogers from trading Donaldson.

[burlingtonbandit]

Jose Fernandez

Oscar Tavares

Yordano Ventura

Nick Adenhart

 

Those players all died, not exactly an injury. And 3 of them were were due to themselves being reckless. Do the player's families even get to keep $ from the contract?

[burlingtonbandit]

Yeah, but all but 1 of those top guys are playing for teams that don't care about money and have no issues rolling the dice on elite talent and keeping them for as cheaply as possible while they are young, paying big in arbitration then picking and choosing which to keep long term.

 

I don't see the Jays as that kind of team because of their ownership situation. I know they are one of the richest owners in the game and should have no problem paying any layer to keep them, but since the Jays are part of a publicly traded company, they won't ever be the biggest spenders and will always have a tighter fist on the payroll. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it is. They not the Rays... but they aren't the Dodgers or Yankees either. The upper end of the middle tier is where they will stay payroll wise.

 

That's why something like a 10 year/100 deal makes more sense, they're paying more than they really need to, and the player in the 6/40 contract is getting nearly 80% of an MVPs pay guaranteed. That's pretty sweet.

 

The other thing that both sides will be considering is the boatloads of cash the upcoming FA class will receive. It would greatly benefit the Jays to lock him up before those deals are done, as it would likely greatly benefit Vlad to wait. The cost per win is gonna go up, and players salaries across the board are going to benefit from it.

 

I think FOs are smart now that if there was a pre-arb extension no matter the team's market size it makes sense to do a deal. The Cubs tried to talk to Bryant about an extension and he basically said no thanks. Players and agents know how much those prime FA years are worth, they aren't dumb anymore.

 

Pretty sure Acuna even turned down a deal, but I could be wrong.

 

I'm saying a 10/100 year deal makes sense for both sides if its all guarenteed. But 6/40 with 4 Club options? Zero chance in hell Vlad takes that.

[ColdPint]

Vlad not in the lineup for the Fishercats today.

 

Just a day off I’m sure, they’ve played a lot of double headers lately.