Roberto Osuna ARRESTED

[Bobthe4th]

I would assume Oh would become the closer.

 

Yeah, ideally you'd have closer by committee as the bullpen has been pretty good - but Gibby loves his defined roles and Oh's done it before in his career.

[TBJ12]

Yeah, that's the one recent example that comes to mind. If Osuna's charges get dropped, he's probably looking at something like that. If the charges don't get dropped and he's convicted, it could be a Ray Rice/Slava Voynov situation. I don't think we can assume he'll be back in a couple months while he has assault charges hanging over his head.

 

Osuna is likely a womanizer, he was dating a friend of a friend until she found out he had two other girls.

 

Could be a jealous ex looking to start trouble. I really think your reaching when talking abiut this ending his career.

[Smokinitup420]

I'm gonna wait on my judgement til I know what happened n if he's found guilty, if it all goes bad and he did some bad s***, I don't really care to see him back

[Spanky__99]

Why's that?

 

If the police get called to a domestic in Ontario. If it's the guy he always gets arrested. If it's the female there's a chance she doesn't.

 

This is true, I called the police on my ex-wife as she was on a rampage, they took me initially. Brutal.

[Dr. Dinger]

Reyes was arrested but the charges were eventually dropped by his wife.

 

We shouldn't really compare American vs Canadian legal systems here as there are some notable differences. In America, the plaintiff/victim is the one who decides if they want to press charges; in Canada, it's the Crown. If there is sufficient evidence to charge Osuna, then he will be charged even if his girlfriend doesn't ultimately want that. So while Reyes' girlfriend may have wanted the charges to be dropped when cooler heads prevailed, that won't happen here, the charges can only be dropped if the evidence is insufficient.

[AledmysDiaz]

Team may suspend Osuna for even more maybe even forced to move him. Jays are owned by Rogers communication. These are the alleged action of an employee

 

The various movements will pressure Rogers for greater punishment. Osunas best shot is dropped charges combined with an immidiate admittance into some sort of a therapy.

[Bobthe4th]

Hazel Mae says it is his girlfriend, not a random or ex:

 

[fatcowxlive]

I wouldn't be quick to moralize this, an arrest for assault on your girlfriend could be a wide range of things: from they got into an argument, nothing happened, but someone called the cops on em and they felt they had to arrest him, to he smashed her in the face -- and everything in between (and it is probably in between).

 

I would be quick to be worried about what the league does.

 

If it was an argument then the charges would have been dropped for such a high profile person by now I would think. The only time you see things "dropped" down the line usually is because the person backs down and wants to continue the relationship (if it's a domestic partner) or there is a settlement in place outside the public eye. Or of course it's a false accusation, but usually a prosecutor will figure that out (through inconsistencies or lack of evidence) before the case can be voluntarily dropped by the accuser

[el diego]

We shouldn't really compare American vs Canadian legal systems here as there are some notable differences. In America, the plaintiff/victim is the one who decides if they want to press charges; in Canada, it's the Crown. If there is sufficient evidence to charge Osuna, then he will be charged even if his girlfriend doesn't ultimately want that. So while Reyes' girlfriend may have wanted the charges to be dropped when cooler heads prevailed, that won't happen here, the charges can only be dropped if the evidence is insufficient.

 

This is true, although if she doesn't want to co-operate then there's a good chance the Crown won't pursue the charge (although a recant on a domestic looks fishy to the Crown, so they may push it a bit). Definitely depends on the facts i.e. is there any evidence beyond her statement.

 

Anyway, it's not like this thing will go to trial. It'll either get stayed or he'll plead guilty and do some programming (unless he like destroyed her).

[BTS]

We shouldn't really compare American vs Canadian legal systems here as there are some notable differences. In America, the plaintiff/victim is the one who decides if they want to press charges; in Canada, it's the Crown. If there is sufficient evidence to charge Osuna, then he will be charged even if his girlfriend doesn't ultimately want that. So while Reyes' girlfriend may have wanted the charges to be dropped when cooler heads prevailed, that won't happen here, the charges can only be dropped if the evidence is insufficient.

 

Yup. If the Jose Reyes incident had happened in Canada, there's a decent chance he's still not back playing MLB baseball. IIRC there was pretty sufficient evidence that he assaulted her.

[Effit]

s***** ass post dude.

 

f*** Osuna if this is all true, he deserves every bit of the punishment.

 

It really wasn’t meant to be s*****. I was just trying to bring light to the fact that the victim is more important than us losing our closer. But thanks for reminding me that you have to be ever so careful of every word you say this day and age.

[Carlos Danger]

Let's say best case scenario he gets 15 games.. The problem I see, is this is the same guy who had anxiety issues last year without this hanging over his head.. He had already been starting to give up a lot of hits lately.. I think this will screw with him mentally and even though he is on the field in body, he might not be in mind.

 

He has a court appearance June 9th, so you can scratch him for that game.

 

Horrible 24 hrs in Toronto sports.. Raptors are a f***ing embarrassment, Nate Pearson gets hit by a line drive and has a broken Ulna.. Out min 6 weeks and now our closer in an already shaky and overworked bullpen gets arrested..

 

We traded Leon for Grichuk who has been a disaster and the team is better with him on the DL. We could really use that extra pen arm right about now..

[TBJ12]

We shouldn't really compare American vs Canadian legal systems here as there are some notable differences. In America, the plaintiff/victim is the one who decides if they want to press charges; in Canada, it's the Crown. If there is sufficient evidence to charge Osuna, then he will be charged even if his girlfriend doesn't ultimately want that. So while Reyes' girlfriend may have wanted the charges to be dropped when cooler heads prevailed, that won't happen here, the charges can only be dropped if the evidence is insufficient.

 

You are correct. However, if the victim is the only witness and not cooperating with authorities its very difficult to get a conviction.

[fatcowxlive]

We shouldn't really compare American vs Canadian legal systems here as there are some notable differences. In America, the plaintiff/victim is the one who decides if they want to press charges; in Canada, it's the Crown. If there is sufficient evidence to charge Osuna, then he will be charged even if his girlfriend doesn't ultimately want that. So while Reyes' girlfriend may have wanted the charges to be dropped when cooler heads prevailed, that won't happen here, the charges can only be dropped if the evidence is insufficient.

 

Wow, did not know that. Can't she just not testify and step down from the case? Ive heard stories of that in Toronto before re assault cases, the courts would only pick it up if they deem there's sufficient evidence to prosecute him, but if the victim is refusing to co-operate or say something else does that not make that harder to pick up?

[Jonn]

I would like to give Osuna the benefit because everything we have seen from him is mostly awesome and seems like a good guy. But we really don't know the players personally. I am still hoping its just a crazy girlfriend trying to f*** with him. But it doesn't look good.

[glory]

I don't think Rogers would force the Jays to trade Osuna unless it was Ray Rice part 2. Chances are if it's 50 game suspension worthy and he's not in serious trouble, then he will serve his suspension, cry on camera to make the SJWs happy, and go back to pitching normally.

 

If it's really, really bad for optics (ex. he beat the crap out of her), then he's a douche and not sure what the Jays would do then.

[el diego]

If it was an argument then the charges would have been dropped for such a high profile person by now I would think.

 

Eh, you might be right, but there are scenarios where they still pursue it:

 

1. Don't want to show favouritism

2. Cops didn't know who Osuna was when they laid the charge and Crown doesn't wanna drop it right away to save face

3. Cops/Crown don't care who he is

 

I honestly don't know how the police and Crown deal with higher profile accused and I don't think there's necessarily a pattern. And anyway, Osuna isn't that instantly recognizable.

[JaysAllMighty]

There's always 2 sides to a story. The laws are stacked against the men, all a woman has to do is verbally make accusation that she was assaulted, no marks of any injury required. The police are mandated to lay charges.

[BTS]

I don't think Rogers would force the Jays to trade Osuna unless it was Ray Rice part 2. Chances are if it's 50 game suspension worthy and he's not in serious trouble, then he will serve his suspension, cry on camera to make the SJWs happy, and go back to pitching normally.

 

If it's really, really bad for optics (ex. he beat the crap out of her), then he's a douche and not sure what the Jays would do then.

 

Yunel Escobar was forced out for writing a bad Spanish word on his eye black.

[Dr. Dinger]

This is true, although if she doesn't want to co-operate then there's a good chance the Crown won't pursue the charge (although a recant on a domestic looks fishy to the Crown, so they may push it a bit). Definitely depends on the facts i.e. is there any evidence beyond her statement.

 

Anyway, it's not like this thing will go to trial. It'll either get stayed or he'll plead guilty and do some programming (unless he like destroyed her).

 

If we imagine the circumstances under which he got arrested, either his girlfriend (or another family member) called 911, or his neighbours did because there was a loud disturbance. In either case, he would have only been arrested for assault if their was physical evidence of assault when the police arrived, i.e. a black eye, a bruised neck, bleeding, scratches, etc. If this is true, they'll have all the evidence they need to pursue the charge, and she would only risk perjuring herself if she gave false evidence to try to protect him... which she probably wouldn't do anyway if she was the one who called 911. You don't just call 911 the first time you have a yelling match with someone, there was probably an escalating pattern of threatening behaviour/violence.

[glory]

Yunel Escobar was forced out for writing a bad Spanish word on his eye black.

 

True but Pillar is still here.

[Bobthe4th]

Yunel Escobar was forced out for writing a bad Spanish word on his eye black.

 

Exactly - and that was before #metoo.

[Smokinitup420]

There's always 2 sides to a story. The laws are stacked against the men, all a woman has to do is verbally make accusation that she was assaulted, no marks of any injury required. The police are mandated to lay charges.

 

The laws are stacked against the men, maybe if the men hadn't been beating women for centuries than it wouldn't be so lopsided now

[CrackerJack]

so I guess the Jays will have 15 thousand Osuna t-shirts lying in boxes for a long time.

[dineke]

Yunel Escobar was forced out for writing a bad Spanish word on his eye black.

 

rogers forced AA to trade him? Did I miss that?

[Bobthe4th]

If we imagine the circumstances under which he got arrested, either his girlfriend (or another family member) called 911, or his neighbours did because there was a loud disturbance. In either case, he would have only been arrested for assault if their was physical evidence of assault when the police arrived, i.e. a black eye, a bruised neck, bleeding, scratches, etc. If this is true, they'll have all the evidence they need to pursue the charge, and she would only risk perjuring herself if she gave false evidence to try to protect him... which she probably wouldn't do anyway if she was the one who called 911. You don't just call 911 the first time you have a yelling match with someone, there was probably an escalating pattern of threatening behaviour/violence.

 

That's a bit of a leap - we really have no clue what happened yet.

[Jonn]

Yunel Escobar was forced out for writing a bad Spanish word on his eye black.

 

And as a result would have to trade him for pennies on the dollar. Considering how much we could have got for Osuna if we traded him in the off-season or even the previous off-season is frustrating. I honestly thought we should have traded him just because of his value and relievers often flaming out. Plus his fastball has been up and down in every appearance the last 2 years. Just this year alone we have seen him at 92-94 and at times he was 95-97. Even touched 98 this year.

[Effit]

Everything came fast for Roberto..money, fame, a baby.. still so young. Maybe too much for him. No excuse but some people just aren’t ready for all that at that age.

[el diego]

If we imagine the circumstances under which he got arrested, either his girlfriend (or another family member) called 911, or his neighbours did because there was a loud disturbance. In either case, he would have only been arrested for assault if their was physical evidence of assault when the police arrived, i.e. a black eye, a bruised neck, bleeding, scratches, etc. If this is true, they'll have all the evidence they need to pursue the charge, and she would only risk perjuring herself if she gave false evidence to try to protect him... which she probably wouldn't do anyway if she was the one who called 911. You don't just call 911 the first time you have a yelling match with someone, there was probably an escalating pattern of threatening behaviour/violence.

 

People do call 911 over yelling matches, especially if they are unreasonably upset in that moment. Neighbours do call the cops if they're pissed at loud neighbours. Cops do lay charges with little to no physical evidence. People who call the cops do routinely recant.

 

I'm not saying that you're incorrect and that nothing happened, I'm saying with the lack of facts we have that it is a possibility. And heck, I'm not even saying it's a (or the most) likely possibility. The whole point of my initial post was that that was at the least extreme end of what possibly happened.

[AledmysDiaz]

There will be enormous pressure on Rogers to not have Osuna in a Bluejays uniform. This is a very liberal city.