SAAviour Verified Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 I think everyone here agrees this team will be selling, and in reality that is better for our long term outlook. The question is, if you were GM would you trade JD? Pay him 20+ mil next year and go for it again, only to let him walk? Sign him for 7+ years? Obviously depends on the return. I'm no prospect guru (especially the last couple years as our team has been so entertaining), but if you are and vote sell JD...throw in a potential target we could go after.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 I think everyone here agrees this team will be selling, and in reality that is better for our long term outlook. The question is, if you were GM would you trade JD? Pay him 20+ mil next year and go for it again, only to let him walk? Sign him for 7+ years? Obviously depends on the return. I'm no prospect guru (especially the last couple years as our team has been so entertaining), but if you are and vote sell JD...throw in a potential target we could go after. It depends on the other trades that are made...if there is a chance for a good team wait unless a team offers a ranson. Then reevaluate in the offseason and at worse trade at next year's deadline
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 The real question is do you trade him to the Red Sox or Yankees if those are the only deals to be made? None of the other contenders have a need at 3rd base and the Sox and Yankees have the prospects to get it done. Interesting to see if how the Jays FO feels not only trading within your division but your star player to the 2 big rivals.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 I think everyone here agrees this team will be selling, and in reality that is better for our long term outlook. The question is, if you were GM would you trade JD? Pay him 20+ mil next year and go for it again, only to let him walk? Sign him for 7+ years? Obviously depends on the return. I'm no prospect guru (especially the last couple years as our team has been so entertaining), but if you are and vote sell JD...throw in a potential target we could go after. Where's no?
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Trade him. This team ain't getting better next year. They tried to compete in 2017, it failed, and now they can move on with the rebuild.
Daniel Labude Jays Centre Contributor Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 The real question is do you trade him to the Red Sox or Yankees if those are the only deals to be made? None of the other contenders have a need at 3rd base and the Sox and Yankees have the prospects to get it done. Interesting to see if how the Jays FO feels not only trading within your division but your star player to the 2 big rivals. Trade him anywhere the deal falls
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Trade him anywhere the deal falls lol... you mean best deal sent or pass.
baubau Verified Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 The real question is do you trade him to the Red Sox or Yankees if those are the only deals to be made? None of the other contenders have a need at 3rd base and the Sox and Yankees have the prospects to get it done. Interesting to see if how the Jays FO feels not only trading within your division but your star player to the 2 big rivals. Maybe the Astros? Move Bregman to OF or add something with Donaldson to get Bregamn? /shurgs/ But yeah, can't say I see a whole lot either. 3B is stacked. Too bad the Mets suck. Would have been good trading partners.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Maybe the Astros? Move Bregman to OF or add something with Donaldson to get Bregamn? /shurgs/ But yeah, can't say I see a whole lot either. 3B is stacked. Too bad the Mets suck. Would have been good trading partners. logically, it's to teams that need a 3rd basemen, who's that? Boston and NYY...
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 I think everyone here agrees this team will be selling, and in reality that is better for our long term outlook. The question is, if you were GM would you trade JD? Pay him 20+ mil next year and go for it again, only to let him walk? Sign him for 7+ years? Obviously depends on the return. I'm no prospect guru (especially the last couple years as our team has been so entertaining), but if you are and vote sell JD...throw in a potential target we could go after. I vote you're dumn... lol @ let him walk.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Donaldson has been complete s*** for several weeks. He's the key piece to trade in any rebuild talk. But he also needs to hit sometime soon. Pretty much a disaster with Estrada s***ing the bed as well.
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 Maybe the Astros? Move Bregman to OF or add something with Donaldson to get Bregamn? /shurgs/ But yeah, can't say I see a whole lot either. 3B is stacked. Too bad the Mets suck. Would have been good trading partners. Astros already have the division locked up basically. If they make a trade it'll be for pitching which helps more in the postseason.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 The real question is do you trade him to the Red Sox or Yankees if those are the only deals to be made? None of the other contenders have a need at 3rd base and the Sox and Yankees have the prospects to get it done. Interesting to see if how the Jays FO feels not only trading within your division but your star player to the 2 big rivals. I don't think it matters we are heading into a long term rebuild. Get the best deal.
fatcowxlive Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 It's up to Donaldson and Ownership IMO. Toronto has enough bank to keep him around at a reasonable (or slightly above reasonable) price. But the decision/extension needs to be made by early off-season this year. If he doesn't wanna stick around or if ownership doesn't want to put that much bank in him then we trade him before opening day next season - regardless if its in the division or not. He's FA in 2018 off-season paired with the fact that we probably won't be competitive enough that year, it won't matter if he rakes in Boston or New York. I personally hope he stays, I like him and this team needs to remain relevant through a "retooling" process, so even if the deal might look bad in year 5 or 6, it's the price to pay to prevent the Dome from being empty like the ~10 years before the 2015 run.
glory Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 It's too bad the Mets are not good this year. They were the perfect trading partner.
fatcowxlive Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 It's too bad the Mets are not good this year. They were the perfect trading partner. The Mets rose and fell with the same timeline as us lol
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted July 2, 2017 Posted July 2, 2017 It's up to Donaldson and Ownership IMO. Toronto has enough bank to keep him around at a reasonable (or slightly above reasonable) price. But the decision/extension needs to be made by early off-season this year. If he doesn't wanna stick around or if ownership doesn't want to put that much bank in him then we trade him before opening day next season - regardless if its in the division or not. He's FA in 2018 off-season paired with the fact that we probably won't be competitive enough that year, it won't matter if he rakes in Boston or New York. I personally hope he stays, I like him and this team needs to remain relevant through a "retooling" process, so even if the deal might look bad in year 5 or 6, it's the price to pay to prevent the Dome from being empty like the ~10 years before the 2015 run. It's not really up to Donaldson at all. He like all the other MLB players tell their agents to get the best deal possible which means likely heading to FA. He has no say if he gets traded or not. I also think the narrative that people are going to buy tickets to watch Josh Donaldson on a bad team false. For Toronto filling the dome has always been about whether the team is good, not a single player.
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Donaldson has been complete s*** for several weeks. He's the key piece to trade in any rebuild talk. But he also needs to hit sometime soon. Pretty much a disaster with Estrada s***ing the bed as well. Bwahahahaha.......
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 It's up to Donaldson and Ownership IMO. Toronto has enough bank to keep him around at a reasonable (or slightly above reasonable) price. But the decision/extension needs to be made by early off-season this year. If he doesn't wanna stick around or if ownership doesn't want to put that much bank in him then we trade him before opening day next season - regardless if its in the division or not. He's FA in 2018 off-season paired with the fact that we probably won't be competitive enough that year, it won't matter if he rakes in Boston or New York. I personally hope he stays, I like him and this team needs to remain relevant through a "retooling" process, so even if the deal might look bad in year 5 or 6, it's the price to pay to prevent the Dome from being empty like the ~10 years before the 2015 run. You live in Hollywood bro, come to a median, you'll be alright!
fatcowxlive Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 It's not really up to Donaldson at all. He like all the other MLB players tell their agents to get the best deal possible which means likely heading to FA. He has no say if he gets traded or not. I also think the narrative that people are going to buy tickets to watch Josh Donaldson on a bad team false. For Toronto filling the dome has always been about whether the team is good, not a single player. It's up to Donaldson as in no one is gonna put a gun to his head and force him to sign him and he hasn't been here long enough to know if he prefers to stay with us and is willing to negotiate something. For all we know we could pay him a mega contract but he'd rather go someplace sunnier or closer to family. Wasn't that the reason Grenkie turned down Milwaukee for LA a few years ago? Also I said Donaldson staying is key for the team to remain competitive and relevant for the next couple of years or not, it's not easy to replace 6-7 WAR with the rebuilding farm system, Edwin gone and Bautista past his time. Like it or not, the team needs a few strong personalities that are likeable to keep the team relevant within the city. No one pays to watch DeRozan and Lowry either, the young fans resonate with them. Think of it as part of marketing the team.
Jonn Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Bwahahahaha....... What is your primary malfunction?
TheHurl Site Manager Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 For Toronto filling the dome has always been about whether the team is good, not a single player. I would say "for Toronto it's all about perception of what the team will be" 2013 sold as many season tickets as 2015 did. If there is no direction for the future, the attendance will fall next year. Last place this year with moves that the fans see as positive (something likely not to happen from this front office as fans usually love the worst of the free agent signings) and the fans buy in the off season. As for trading Donaldson I don't see that now is the time unless you are blown away and I'm not sure what team would do that. If the Jays are still struggling at the deadline, I see this as the priority of trades. 1. Estrada (should return a Young pitcher...if the Rangers aren't selling should be one of the most interesting rentals available) 2. Goins (should have been a National already...we will take nothing, something, anything. This is just a present for me at this point. 3. Osuna (not a priority but could provide the most return, I don't think he's essential to next year success) 4. Bautista (he wasn't appealing to many in the off-season so how does the current version draw enough in trade to make it worth while to trade him...and how the f*** does a career 130 wRC+ vs. LHP have a 42 wRC+ through 83 PA's this year). Again I don't think the return is there.
Slade Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Trading Donaldson to the Yankees or Red Sox would be awful especially because they have the means to sign him long term but I still want the best return possible on him.
justafan Verified Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Someone somewhere will get injured and will need JD. The jays will get something good in return.
Atothe Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 What is your primary malfunction? Who the f*** says this? lmao
KingKat Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Who the f*** says this? lmao Full Metal Jacket fans presumedly. I approve.
bowld Verified Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Why not just ride it out and trade him at the deadline next year if we suck again?
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 What is your primary malfunction? Jonathan, John, Johnny, Johny, etc.... THIS!
Spanky99 Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 Full Metal Jacket fans presumedly. I approve. Likely, Johnny! That movie was, fantastic, I love the reference!
burlingtonbandit Old-Timey Member Posted July 3, 2017 Posted July 3, 2017 It's up to Donaldson as in no one is gonna put a gun to his head and force him to sign him and he hasn't been here long enough to know if he prefers to stay with us and is willing to negotiate something. For all we know we could pay him a mega contract but he'd rather go someplace sunnier or closer to family. Wasn't that the reason Grenkie turned down Milwaukee for LA a few years ago? Also I said Donaldson staying is key for the team to remain competitive and relevant for the next couple of years or not, it's not easy to replace 6-7 WAR with the rebuilding farm system, Edwin gone and Bautista past his time. Like it or not, the team needs a few strong personalities that are likeable to keep the team relevant within the city. No one pays to watch DeRozan and Lowry either, the young fans resonate with them. Think of it as part of marketing the team. For the majority of baseballs players they sign with whoever offers them the most term and most $. I wouldn't expect Donaldson to be any different. They have pressure from their agents and the PA to take the biggest deal as that impacts other players in future negotiations.
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