GDT: Blue Jays @ Yankees Game 2 of 3 7:05 Est

[gruber92]

What's so different about Latos from when he was decent to now. Velocity drop?

 

How did Latos used to be good? Velocity hasn't changed much.

 

Location, location, location.

 

His secondaries have also vanished, although he had a nice change in his last start.

[JaysAllMighty]

God I hate seeing that fat face on my team

 

[Terminator]

Is Schulman tryng to get me to change the channel or what?

[Orgfiller]

How did Latos used to be good? Velocity hasn't changed much.

 

It actually has though. His top end velocity used to be 96-97 which he could reach quite easily. There's a big difference between sitting 92-93 and reaching back when necessary to the current version of Latos who can't dial it up to 95. I'm sure the breaking stuff has also suffered.

[Terminator]

It actually has though. His top end velocity used to be 96-97 which he could reach quite easily. There's a big difference between sitting 92-93 and reaching back when necessary to the current version of Latos who can't dial it up to 95. I'm sure the breaking stuff has also suffered.

 

I guess it has dropped some. 1.4 mph since his heyday according to fangraphs. Not that much though.

[King]

Velocity doesn't look much different to me.

http://i.imgur.com/uDzjcOD.png

 

Of note: He got a +1 MPH bump for 2017 like everyone else due to Pitch FX not being used anymore. It's pretty clear his velo has been dropping.

[Terminator]

I'd rather not get in to an argument about Mat Latos' velo with the entire board but it's dropped some. Doesn't really explain the difference between a frontline starter and a bum who shouldn't be in the big leagues. Has to be more to it IMO.

[KingKat]

http://i.imgur.com/uDzjcOD.png

 

Of note: He got a +1 MPH bump for 2017 like everyone else due to Pitch FX not being used anymore. It's pretty clear his velo has been dropping.

 

Looks like the bulk of the drop-off happened between 2013 and 2014. Two mph gone just like that.

[King]

I'd rather not get in to an argument about Mat Latos' velo with the entire board but it's dropped some. Doesn't really explain the difference between a frontline starter and a bum who shouldn't be in the big leagues. Has to be more to it IMO.

There's nothing to argue. His velo dropped and he lost his effectiveness. It happens to every pitcher. Injuries may have played a role too.

[Terminator]

http://i.imgur.com/uDzjcOD.png

 

Of note: He got a +1 MPH bump for 2017 like everyone else due to Pitch FX not being used anymore. It's pretty clear his velo has been dropping.

 

Ok this chart makes more sense, especially with the additional 1 mph explanation.

[el duque]

There's nothing to argue. His velo dropped and he lost his effectiveness. It happens to every pitcher. Injuries may have played a role too.

Latos is too yong to decline, may be there's something wrong with his arm and he doesn't know

[gruber92]

There's nothing to argue. His velo dropped and he lost his effectiveness. It happens to every pitcher. Injuries may have played a role too.

 

I think he lost his ability to locate. You can half ass your way from AAA to the bigs with only two pitches, as long as you can consistently locate while sitting at 92-93. If you can't locate or command, it doesn't matter how hard you throw, you'll get roasted in the MLB.

[el duque]

Is Gibbons giving away this game or bringing somebody else to pitch?

[Orgfiller]

Latos is too yong to decline, may be there's something wrong with his arm and he doesn't know

 

He's already been injured and lost significant velocity at the time, it's bounced back some but he hasn't been the same pitcher since. It's not uncommon for pitchers to break down after having arm trouble.

[Terminator]

There's nothing to argue. His velo dropped and he lost his effectiveness. It happens to every pitcher. Injuries may have played a role too.

 

Oh we could argue it still. I'm sure pitchers lose 1.5 mph over the course of the careers all the time and don't go from frontline to bush league. If you're simply saying velo drop is the sole reason then I don't think that's entirely accurate. Could be location issues too. His walk rate spiked over the past two seasons. But maybe that's due to lower velo he's nibbling more.

[Effit]

As expected

[Jimcanuck]

Latos is too yong to decline, may be there's something wrong with his arm and he doesn't know

 

His injury history includes a shoulder injury and surgery to remove bone chips in his elbow, among other things

[gruber92]

He hit his spot, but..

[Terminator]

This isn't Jered Weaver losing 5+ mph.

[Omar]

Get Latos out of there!

[King]

Oh we could argue it still. I'm sure pitchers lose 1.5 mph over the course of the careers all the time and don't go from frontline to bush league. If you're simply saying velo drop is the sole reason then I don't think that's entirely accurate. Could be location issues too. His walk rate spiked over the past two seasons. But maybe that's due to lower velo he's nibbling more.

You guys realize it all connects right. Injuries (Shoulder/Elbow/Knee) = Velo Drop = fall out of sync of mechanics = loss of command

[Orgfiller]

And that's where the velocity difference plays a big factor. High fastball at 96-97 is unhittable but at 92-93 it's a crushable pitch.

[Effit]

We were so lucky last year to have a healthy rotation.

[gruber92]

Is Gibbons giving away this game or bringing somebody else to pitch?

 

I think he'll let the game play out for a few more innings.

[Orgfiller]

He's getting rocked.

[Terminator]

You guys realize it all connects right. Injuries (Shoulder/Elbow/Knee) = Velo Drop = fall out of sync of mechanics = loss of command

 

Nope but that makes more sense. Just explain it better like that for my feeble brain from the get go next time.

[Terminator]

And that's where the velocity difference plays a big factor. High fastball at 96-97 is unhittable but at 92-93 it's a crushable pitch.

 

He never threw 96-97. lol

[Orgfiller]

He never threw 96-97. lol

 

Wat

[gruber92]

You guys realize it all connects right. Injuries (Shoulder/Elbow/Knee) = Velo Drop = fall out of sync of mechanics = loss of command

 

Pretty much this..

[Jonn]

This should be Latos last start.