MLB looking at runner on 2nd in extra innings rule(to be implemented in lower minors)

[GeorgiaPeach]

Fighting is generally supported by diehards, casuals, players, pretty much everyone in hockey. Outside influences are the reason that fighting is being reduced.

 

I understand that. But back in the late mid/late 90's when other teams started adopting the trap + Bettman's push to eliminate fighting things died for me. When the two things fans stand and cheer for are virtually eliminated from the game what is it I'm there to see? Some great skating? Having Europeans stick someone's eye out? Nice crisp passing? Because that was about it.

[GeorgiaPeach]

By outside influences you mean the # of former players/fighters that suffered CTE and lost their lives because of it, right?

 

The how many? Because I'd be willing to bet if you went through from the 70's-2000 most of the enforcers are in fact still alive or didn't die from CTE.

[GeorgiaPeach]

As tragic as those instances are, it doesn't make anything I said untrue. There are more supporters of fighting than detractors amongst the fans and players. An overwhelming majority in my experience.

 

But because of a few fringe NHL enforcers who dabbled in drugs and got their bell rung a few times, thus pushing them into heavier drugs and not being able to handle it, let's stop the fighting?

 

Sounds like the inmate culture. When my drug problem runs into another problem, just take more drugs. That'll fix it, then we'll blame it on something else.

[GeorgiaPeach]

While interesting, this poll only shows favourite sports. Very few sports fans only follow one sport.

 

FWIW the radio guy promoting horse racing was a horse racing journalist!

 

And as was mentioned if gambling wasn't associated with horse racing, no one would be watching.

[GeorgiaPeach]

Not nearly enough to draw new interest IMO. I really don't know what the solution is to make Baseball more popular, but it's definitely not going to be solved by shortening games by 5-10 minutes here and there.

 

I'll stand by my opinion that baseball is never going to be as popular as football because there are just too many games to follow for the casual fan.

 

When I'm talking to people who think baseball is boring or are non-fans the reason is their expectations of the game are too great and they get let down. They go to games and feel they absolutely have to pay attention to the field the entire time and they expect action non-stop.

 

My answer to that is, baseball is more of an event where you chat with your friends, take in the stadium, people watch. Relax and enjoy the environment, don't go in expecting to be fixated on the field for the entire 3 hours, because yes you will be bored out of your mind. You can miss a pitch or ten and appreciate the game more by the relaxed experience.

 

And in regards to your comments on not being able to follow all the games.....it takes time to appreciate the story lines of a season and further to that the history. It takes time to hook people in, and what would draw new people in are the promotion of star players through internet advertising, TV, radio to a lesser extent and connecting more at the ball park and home with fans via technology.

 

Enforce existing rules to tighten the game up, don't change the game because the game should mimic what happens in International Softball.

 

If MLB wants to sell out to draw in fringe fans, it's a dangerous endeavour. You're trying to attract more people who have zero or little interest in something expecting them to stick at risking losing people who are already heavily invested.

 

I know the guy on 2nd is a small change that will affect very little. It's just the bizarreness of the change and not the number of times it will occur that I have a problem with.

[GeorgiaPeach]

I always thought team prospect/showcase games would be cool. The NHL has a variety of prospect tournaments where teams send their prospects to play exhibition games against other teams prospects before the season starts. They could host them in MLB ballparks. And infuse it with the rookie development program they do every offseason.

 

Jays team

C - McGuire

1B - Tellez

2B - Urena

SS - Gurriel

3B - Vlad

CF - Alford

OF - Woodman

OF - Ramirez

DH - Pentecost

BN - Bichette/others

 

SP - SRF

RP - Greene/Harris/Zeuch/Rios/Perdomo/Borucki/others

 

 

Don't think they need to change the Futures Game. It's a pretty great event already IMO.

 

To me it seems like there's a disconnect between MLB teams, their big prospects and promoting these future kids to the fans on MLB broadcasts or the internet. You almost already have to be a fan of a MLB team or the sport to actually know where to find info or to see what exciting kids are on the farm, very little promotion to the casual fan. And even though prospects bust all the time, if you can catch that moment in time when a group are good you promote it.

[TheHurl]

On second thought, this is basically just the AFL, lol.

 

Still a showcase week would be interesting. Combined with all star week maybe...gets all the scouts/GMs in one city. Could be called the summer meetings even. Three games per day at 3 sites would be 45 games (3 for each team) over a 5 day stretch. Have a HR derby and all star game at the end. Marketed correctly it could be a profitable week and gives MiLB a week off

[King]

The how many? Because I'd be willing to bet if you went through from the 70's-2000 most of the enforcers are in fact still alive or didn't die from CTE.

 

I didn't really want to go down this rabbit hole but as Hurl once said about Ryan Freel, one is too many. Rick Rypien, Derek Boogaard, Wade Belak, the list goes on.

 

Maybe you're just old school but every single person I know supports the decrease on fighting movement. I don't see any fun in watching two fourth line plugs drop the gloves off the faceoff. Fights that are as a result of the emotion or intensity of the game are fine and thats the way it should be.

 

And yes there's a lot of high skill involved in hockey now with passing, skating. People enjoy watching Connor McDavid skate wheels around everyone or Patrick Kane stickhandle through no room.

[Laika]

Still a showcase week would be interesting. Combined with all star week maybe...gets all the scouts/GMs in one city. Could be called the summer meetings even. Three games per day at 3 sites would be 45 games (3 for each team) over a 5 day stretch. Have a HR derby and all star game at the end. Marketed correctly it could be a profitable week and gives MiLB a week off

 

Yes if marketed correctly it could be a huge hit. They already don't push the Futures Game enough, IMO.

 

An all top prospects HR derby, skills tournament, and set of friendly games would be f***ing dope. Have it run on the off-days around the MLB All Star game, and the afternoons before MLB All Star events. Constant coverage on MLB Network.

 

Call it the MiLB Combine.

[TheHurl]

Yes if marketed correctly it could be a huge hit. They already don't push the Futures Game enough, IMO.

 

An all top prospects HR derby, skills tournament, and set of friendly games would be f***ing dope. Have it run on the off-days around the MLB All Star game, and the afternoons before MLB All Star events. Constant coverage on MLB Network.

 

Call it the MiLB Combine.

 

I'll start working on various proposals to Manfred shortly. When I need a lawyer I'll call.

[Laika]

I'll start working on various proposals to Manfred shortly. When I need a lawyer I'll call.

 

I'm just a small town pizza lawyer, but everything looks perfectly legal

[TheHurl]

I'm just a small town pizza lawyer, but everything looks perfectly legal

 

I'll need the lawyer when MLB steals my idea and gives no credit...and then King sues me for the same thing.

[John_Havok]

I'll need the lawyer when MLB steals my idea and gives no credit...and then King sues me for the same thing.

 

I'm sure you'll be able to settle out of court with King with no admission of guilt if you give him a few bags of Cheetohs and a hooker.

[RealAccountant]

They should consider a rule change regarding the use of relief pitching, I could be wrong but aren't substitutions limited in other sports?

 

All the fricking delays, and there is too much matching etc. It kills the game and offense.

 

What i suggest is that each team has 3 relievers they are going to use in a game. So each team has about 7 relievers? Just like they submit their bench they should submit 3 relievers they will use on the day. That will end extra inning games quicker too. When relievers get tired it should benefit the hitting team. In addition they should get a long man that can be used if your pitcher doesn't last 4 innings.

 

Also 1 change per inning. None of this 3 RP an inning gargbage. you get 1 change. If your reliever cant get it done in that inning, Tough f***ing noogies. That is life.

 

This will shed 10-15 minutes a game.

 

As a way to appease the player union, they should expand the rosters to 27 players, thereby maintaining player jobs.

[Boxcar]

As tragic as those instances are, it doesn't make anything I said untrue. There are more supporters of fighting than detractors amongst the fans and players. An overwhelming majority in my experience.

 

Why is that relevant? This isn't about entertainment, it's about player safety. Something the casual fan doesn't particularly care about. Then diehards of anything are always extremely resistant to change.

 

I've never understood why people enjoyed fighting. Watching two untrained goons sweating and writhing on each other is my idea of a bad time.

[King]

Why is that relevant? This isn't about entertainment, it's about player safety. Something the casual fan doesn't particularly care about. Then diehards of anything are always extremely resistant to change.

 

I've never understood why people enjoyed fighting. Watching two untrained goons sweating and writhing on each other is my idea of a bad time.

 

It's not enjoyable at all.

[John_Havok]

It's not enjoyable at all.

 

I don't mind a fight when it starts organically out of some dirty hit or some other illegal s*** that deserves a response, but staged fights off a whistle between the two guys that maybe get 5-10 shifts a game total is garbage. Thankfully that part is already on the decline

[Laika]

fights are good

 

you guys are dum

 

goons that only fight are already *essentially* eliminated from the sport.

[fatcowxlive]

fights are good

 

you guys are dum

 

goons that only fight are already *essentially* eliminated from the sport.

 

Yeah this is my first season watching hockey fulltime and fights are very enjoyable lol

[Grant77]

Why is that relevant? This isn't about entertainment, it's about player safety. Something the casual fan doesn't particularly care about. Then diehards of anything are always extremely resistant to change.

 

I've never understood why people enjoyed fighting. Watching two untrained goons sweating and writhing on each other is my idea of a bad time.

 

Why are the player's opinions important in regards to player safety? Gee, I don't know.

[closetjaysfan]

Ok so now they are talking about a 30 sec timelimit on replay challenges. How is that not the first thing they try? As a side note, this wont be an issue in Jays games since they lose every challenge anyway.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/sports/mlb/report-mlb-discussing-time-limit-for-managers-during-replay-challenges/ar-AAmTGXG?li=AA54y7&ocid=spartanntp

[Brownie19]

Why are the player's opinions important in regards to player safety? Gee, I don't know.

 

You think NHL players are smart enough to make unbiased, educated decisions about their safety? Good god man.

[Brownie19]

I don't mind a fight when it starts organically out of some dirty hit or some other illegal s*** that deserves a response, but staged fights off a whistle between the two guys that maybe get 5-10 shifts a game total is garbage. Thankfully that part is already on the decline

 

Fights seemingly break out after every hit these days - clean or not. It's sad.

 

Could you imagine if a fight broke out in the NBA after every huge block, or after a big hit in the NFL or after a big HR in MLB? It would look ridiculous.

[LGBJ29]

Fights seemingly break out after every hit these days - clean or not. It's sad.

 

Could you imagine if a fight broke out in the NBA after every huge block, or after a big hit in the NFL or after a big HR in MLB? It would look ridiculous.

 

While I agree the fighting after a big clean hit is annoying, there are times it does make sense for dirty hits from goons on stars. And to even compare it to the bolded is extremely laughable and frankly ridiculous

[Brownie19]

While I agree the fighting after a big clean hit is annoying, there are times it does make sense for dirty hits from goons on stars. And to even compare it to the bolded is extremely laughable and frankly ridiculous

 

Well focus on my NFL example if it bothers you that much...

 

Hitting is (was?) part of hockey. It's a legal move if performed correctly. If a clean hit is thrown, it's an exciting, potentially game changing moment. I was trying to find similarities in other sports. the NFL example is a no doubter, I thought the NBA example was solid - but the MLB one is a stretch (I'll give you that).

 

In Hockey these days after every big hit the gloves are flying off and the "hitter" is attacked before anyone knows if it was clean or not. Fighting someone after they do something that's within the rules of the game seems incredibly stupid. Hockey (and Lacrosse?) seem to be the only sports were that kind of action is accepted.

[LGBJ29]

Well focus on my NFL example if it bothers you that much...

 

Hitting is (was?) part of hockey. It's a legal move if performed correctly. If a clean hit is thrown, it's an exciting, potentially game changing moment. I was trying to find similarities in other sports. the NFL example is a no doubter, I thought the NBA example was solid - but the MLB one is a stretch (I'll give you that).

 

In Hockey these days after every big hit the gloves are flying off and the "hitter" is attacked before anyone knows if it was clean or not. Fighting someone after they do something that's within the rules of the game seems incredibly stupid. Hockey (and Lacrosse?) seem to be the only sports were that kind of action is accepted.

 

And I agree with you that the instant retaliation is tiresome and unneccesary. However, with competent officials the aggressor who attacks the hitter a lot of times is receiving the instigator or extra minor penalty resulting in a power play, so while it is annoying the rules still usually get properly enforced.

 

There are a lot of instances where NFL players get into it in similar skirmish's, and perhaps we'd see it just as frequently if the rules weren't as harsh. Any punch thrown is an automatic ejection + fine and possible suspension. If the NHL had the same enforcement the fighting would be gone, however you'd have the Matt Cooke's and Steve Downie's of the world causing havoc. Kind of a catch 22

[Brownie19]

And I agree with you that the instant retaliation is tiresome and unneccesary. However, with competent officials the aggressor who attacks the hitter a lot of times is receiving the instigator or extra minor penalty resulting in a power play, so while it is annoying the rules still usually get properly enforced.

 

There are a lot of instances where NFL players get into it in similar skirmish's, and perhaps we'd see it just as frequently if the rules weren't as harsh. Any punch thrown is an automatic ejection + fine and possible suspension. If the NHL had the same enforcement the fighting would be gone, however you'd have the Matt Cooke's and Steve Downie's of the world causing havoc. Kind of a catch 22

 

The NFL seems to deal with these types of players well enough for me...

[LGBJ29]

The NFL seems to deal with these types of players well enough for me...

 

I guess, I mean they fine them and hand out the odd suspension but Vontaze Burfict and Ndamukong Suh is still out there delivering cheap shots any chance they can