Around Baseball 2017

[G-Snarls]

I hate Cashman now because he's so damn good, but glad Dombrowski is in the this division now. Have to hope he destroys the Red Sox with more short term moves before they smarten up and hire someone better.

 

The Orioles are already self destructing too so thumbs up for that

[Pendleton]

The Mets are considering Ryan Goins per Joel Sherman

[G-Snarls]

The Mets are considering Ryan Goins per Joel Sherman

 

Awesome.. That team is such a hot mess

[jaysfan2014]

Red Sox could easily sign Martinez and Hosmer to absurd contracts. Short term it’ll improve them, but they’ll soon regret it.

 

Actually, unless they move salary(likely JBJ), they can't--team's at $201M and risk losing 10 spots in the draft if they gave the kind of contracts Martinez and Hosmer want (that would put them over the $40M+ overage that would cost Boston their 1st round pick)--they can't afford a repeat of the Sandoval/HanRam albatrosses of 2015. More likely they only sign one of them, and most likely JD Martinez, as he won't cost picks.. especially when there are other needs, especially with the bench(need a stopgap at 2B til June while Pedroia rehabs), 5th starter spot(E-Rod is out til May, Wright is facing a suspension as mentioned yesterday), and possibly the bullpen.

 

And let's remember that the Sox farm right now is pretty crappy thanks to Devers and Benintendi graduating from prospect status--they can't afford to lose more picks.

[jaysfan2014]

The Orioles are already self destructing too so thumbs up for that

 

Rays are also in danger as well as that team continues to spin its wheels--will they commit to a full-blown rebuild or not? With Longoria's 10/5 rights coming and the team slashing payroll, it's inevitable they start a major sell-off, possibly this week in Orlando at the winter meetings.

 

Really, at this point, it's a three-team race between Boston, NY and Toronto--but Toronto needs to be aggressive and add a big name or two.

[Krylian]

Rays are also in danger as well as that team continues to spin its wheels--will they commit to a full-blown rebuild or not? With Longoria's 10/5 rights coming and the team slashing payroll, it's inevitable they start a major sell-off, possibly this week in Orlando at the winter meetings.

 

Really, at this point, it's a three-team race between Boston, NY and Toronto--but Toronto needs to be aggressive and add a big name or two.

 

It's amusing that you think Toronto is in this race.

[jaysfan2014]

I hate Cashman now because he's so damn good, but glad Dombrowski is in the this division now. Have to hope he destroys the Red Sox with more short term moves before they smarten up and hire someone better.

 

You might get your wish--they have a lot of free agents in the next 2 years, with Pomeranz and Kimbrel being free agents in 2018, and Sale, HanRam, Bogaerts and Porcello the year after, and a depleted farm system that doesn't have anything projectable anytime soon. And the last thing the Sox need is to end up like Dombrowski's former club in Detroit--huge albatrosses and untradeable players that are in decline--Tigers could easily lose 100+ games next year with their current roster, and possibly more if Kinsler and Iglesias are moved.

 

Dodgers aren't gonna bail the Red Sox out again like in 2012 if Dombrowski screws up, as LAD is trying to cut payroll itself due to luxury tax and debt service issues (Dodgers are deeply in debt from spending so much money the last few years and are risk of MLB penalties if they don't reduce the payroll and stop the bleeding of financial losses).

[jaysfan2014]

It's amusing that you think Toronto is in this race.

 

You do realize we had a lot of injuries last year and a declining Jose Bautista, right? And Toronto is going to spend..

[Dr. Dinger]

Holy s***, Miggy still has $184M guaranteed money left on his deal lol.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/miguel-cabrera-creating-a-personal-drafting-plan/

 

Maybe the Tigers should try to flip him for Pujols 1 for 1.

[BTS]

Holy s***, Miggy still has $184M guaranteed money left on his deal lol.

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/miguel-cabrera-creating-a-personal-drafting-plan/

 

Maybe the Tigers should try to flip him for Pujols 1 for 1.

 

At least you can dream on Miggy bouncing back given that he's only had the one bad year. Pujols is virtually guaranteed to be a $26-30M dollar anchor around LA's next for each of the next 5 years.

[Krylian]

You do realize we had a lot of injuries last year and a declining Jose Bautista, right? And Toronto is going to spend..

 

Let's see in April. I'm not convinced. Our young prospects aren't ready to make in impact at the ML level in 2018 yet I don't think. And I don't see them adding talent that's at the level of what they need to complete. But I will accept if I am wrong and the Shat step up and put the right pieces in place.

[Ray]

The Yankees are looking insanely good:

 

Lineup:

 

C. Gary Sanchez

1B. Greg Bird

2B. Gleybar Torres

SS. Didi Gregorious

3B. Chase Headley/Miguel Andujar

RF. Aaron Judge

CF. Jacoby Ellsbury

LF. Aaron Hicks

DH. Giancarlo Stanton

 

Rotation:

 

1. Luis Severino

2. Masahiro Tanaka

3. Sonny Gray

4. Jordan Montgomery

5. Luis Cessa

 

Bullpen:

1. Aroldis Chapman (CL)

2. David Robertson (SU)

3. Tommy Kahnle

4. Chad Green

5. Dellin Betances

 

Meanwhile they still have solid cheap starting pitching depth in the minors like Chance Adams, Justus Sheffield, and Domingo Acevedo who can easily slot in that 5th starter spot, but at this point they should go full super team and trade a package of Clint Frazier for a top of the rotation guy like Gerrit Cole. It might also serve them well if they can get a good defensive catcher since Sanchez' isn't the best blocker

[Dr. Dinger]

At least you can dream on Miggy bouncing back given that he's only had the one bad year. Pujols is virtually guaranteed to be a $26-30M dollar anchor around LA's next for each of the next 5 years.

 

It's only 4 years, vs 6 of Miggy at a higher salary. Both of them looked cooked this year. Both putrid contracts. I'm interested to see what JDM gets and if baseball executives have learned anything from giving monster contracts to bat-only players in their 30s.

[BTS]

It's only 4 years, vs 6 of Miggy at a higher salary. Both of them looked cooked this year. Both putrid contracts. I'm interested to see what JDM gets and if baseball executives have learned anything from giving monster contracts to bat-only players in their 30s.

 

Dombrowski is going to flip JBJ for less than he's worth and sign JDM for like 7/150, and then watch as JBJ has the better season next year.

[Ray]

You compare Miggy and Pujols contracts to Stantons: Assuming Stanton doesn't opt out, from ages 31-37 he'll be getting paid $26.8M by the Yankees, which won't even look like that much compared to what other guys are gonna be making by that point because of contract inflation. Not to mention they won't have to pay for Stantons 38-42 age seasons unlike the other teams have to for Votto, Miggy, and Pujols. Cashman pulled off a hell of a deal.

[glory]

To think, Cabrera was extended prior to the start of the 2014 season, even though he was signed through 2015. So he got an eight year extension when he had two years left on his contract at age 31.

 

I really want Dombrowski to mess the Red Sox up too.

[Dr. Dinger]

Dombrowski is going to flip JBJ for less than he's worth and sign JDM for like 7/150, and then watch as JBJ has the better season next year.

 

I don't have your faith that JBJ is good. He's just Kevin Pillar to me. JDM is a godly masher, at least.

[Ray]

Apparently Profar for Matt Harvey is being discussed. We can do better than Matt Harvey, no? He's basically cooked. Very small chance he bounces back.

[glory]

Harvey has name value, and the Jays don’t have expendable SP’s to trade. If Texas is looking for a starter for Profar then the Jays are probably out.

[Abomination]

Apparently Profar for Matt Harvey is being discussed. We can do better than Matt Harvey, no? He's basically cooked. Very small chance he bounces back.

 

Harvey had a terrible year last year, no question, but he was still averaging ~94 mph on the fastball. His off-speed stuff was still above average, just didn't have fastball command for some reason. In 2016 he put up about 2 WAR in half a season. IMO he's an excellent bounce back candidate.

[Spanky__99]

[Spanky__99]

Apparently Profar for Matt Harvey is being discussed. We can do better than Matt Harvey, no? He's basically cooked. Very small chance he bounces back.

 

Those talks have been kiboshed, Rangers won't give up Profar for one year of Harvey.

[Abomination]

It looks like reliever contracts are going to be inflated this off-season (maybe due to a weak free agent crop?). If we did rebuild, we could probably get a ransom for Osuna.

[BTS]

It looks like reliever contracts are going to be inflated this off-season (maybe due to a weak free agent crop?). If we did rebuild, we could probably get a ransom for Osuna.

 

Three years of Osuna would return a huge amount. Imagine the haul if they sold him, Stroman, and Donaldson this offseason?

[jays4life19]

Three years of Osuna would return a huge amount. Imagine the haul if they sold him, Stroman, and Donaldson this offseason?

 

I prefer to keep Stroman but i think we should definitely sell Osuna and Donaldson and gear up for a 2019 run.

[BTS]

I prefer to keep Stroman but i think we should definitely sell Osuna and Donaldson and gear up for a 2019 run.

 

I could go either way, but Stro is healthy and in his last three arb years. Unless they try an extension, I think moving him over the next year if things go wrong in 2018 makes a lot of sense.

 

I also dislike him on a personal level, so there’s that.

[G-Snarls]

[Dick_Pole]

You guys are being far too myopic. If you're talking about Osuna being on the table in the thin RP FA market you may as well shop Tepera, Leone and Barnes too.

[bones10]

I could go either way, but Stro is healthy and in his last three arb years. Unless they try an extension, I think moving him over the next year if things go wrong in 2018 makes a lot of sense.

 

I also dislike him on a personal level, so there’s that.

 

Shouldn't be hard to extend Stroman he seems to really like Toronto.

[xposbrad]

I prefer to keep Stroman but i think we should definitely sell Osuna and Donaldson and gear up for a 2019 run.

 

That's way too soon, with way too many holes and none of the prospects having shown what they have at the MLB level. They need at least 2-3 more years to accumulate more prospects/young mlb ready talent in trades and picks.