Jays sign Morales 3 years 33M

[Grant77]

I rest my case.

 

What is your case exactly? A good deal of that could be explained by BABIP luck. Also, hitters are better as a whole with bases loaded for obvious reasons.

[BTS]

Morales' Steamer wRC+ projection went from 109 to 112 after the signing. Edited November 14, 2016 by BTS

[Grant77]

Morales' Steamer wRC+ projection went from 109 to 112 after the trade.

 

Signing?

[BTS]

Signing?

 

I'm old and get confused sometimes. It's best to just go with it.

[Abomination]

I'm old and get confused sometimes. It's best to just go with it.

 

Don't worry, it apparently gets better as you get older. You forget that you sometimes get confused.

[GD]

I'm old and get confused sometimes. It's best to just go with it.

 

and so the transition into Hurl begins

[Maico450]

What is your case exactly? A good deal of that could be explained by BABIP luck. Also, hitters are better as a whole with bases loaded for obvious reasons.

Tabler is an example of many batters who rise to the occasion. Forget his bases loaded stats. With RISP he hit .317/ .388 1298PA. Compare that to his .261/.324 2267PA with no runners on. Was this luck?

[KingKat]

Tabler is an example of many batters who rise to the occasion. Forget his bases loaded stats. With RISP he hit .317/ .388 1298PA. Compare that to his .261/.324 2267PA with no runners on. Was this luck?

 

Whether it's luck or not is kind of irrelevant. The more important point is that it's not sustainable. You can only maintain that kind of gap between a situational result and your overall ability over a small sample. Over time that's going to normalize. This is what always happens. It's a fun little accomplishment for the player but it's not really meaningful as a measure of his ability because the sample is too small.

[Maico450]

I bet you think Joe Carter was a good hitter too

 

I take it you never saw Joe Carter play?

Let me put this in one perspective.

If today, Joe Carter was in his prime say 30 yrs old, and a free agent. he would be at the Top of the list of available free agents.

Every baseball fan would be screaming for their team to sign him.

He would easily command a contract exceeding 5yr 125 mill.

If Russ Atkins signed him , every Jay fan would be shouting for Joy, except for a few of you.

Would you be one of the complainers?

[KingKat]

I take it you never saw Joe Carter play?

Let me put this in one perspective.

If today, Joe Carter was in his prime say 30 yrs old, and a free agent. he would be at the Top of the list of available free agents.

Every baseball fan would be screaming for their team to sign him.

He would easily command a contract exceeding 5yr 125 mill.

If Russ Atkins signed him , every Jay fan would be shouting for Joy, except for a few of you.

Would you be one of the complainers?

 

Joe Carter was indeed a very good hitter in the early days and was atrocious by the end so the reality is somewhere in the middle.

[Bobthe4th]

I take it you never saw Joe Carter play?

Let me put this in one perspective.

If today, Joe Carter was in his prime say 30 yrs old, and a free agent. he would be at the Top of the list of available free agents.

Every baseball fan would be screaming for their team to sign him.

He would easily command a contract exceeding 5yr 125 mill.

If Russ Atkins signed him , every Jay fan would be shouting for Joy, except for a few of you.

Would you be one of the complainers?

 

Joe Carter at 30 had just come off the worst year of his career with the Padres (-2 WAR / 80 +wRC). He'd be a buy low, bounce back project, just like Jay Bruce.

[LGBJ29]

Joe Carter at 30 had just come off the worst year of his career with the Padres (-2 WAR / 80 +wRC). He'd be a buy low, bounce back project, just like Jay Bruce.

 

-2 WAR is good right?

[Brownie19]

I take it you never saw Joe Carter play?

Let me put this in one perspective.

If today, Joe Carter was in his prime say 30 yrs old, and a free agent. he would be at the Top of the list of available free agents.

Every baseball fan would be screaming for their team to sign him.

He would easily command a contract exceeding 5yr 125 mill.

If Russ Atkins signed him , every Jay fan would be shouting for Joy, except for a few of you.

Would you be one of the complainers?

 

Is this todd's new account or something? WTF.

[Maico450]

Whether it's luck or not is kind of irrelevant. The more important point is that it's not sustainable. You can only maintain that kind of gap between a situational result and your overall ability over a small sample. Over time that's going to normalize. This is what always happens. It's a fun little accomplishment for the player but it's not really meaningful as a measure of his ability because the sample is too small.

Is it possible that the numbers Over Time, get skewed by the fact that the player is playing for several years past his prime?

If you eliminated the years that a batter plays outside his prime, before and after, how does that affect his numbers?

[Maico450]

Joe Carter at 30 had just come off the worst year of his career with the Padres (-2 WAR / 80 +wRC). He'd be a buy low, bounce back project, just like Jay Bruce.

Joe Carter at 30, had 115 rbi,s.

His 5th consecutive 100 rbi season.

I guess you never saw him play either.

[Brownie19]

Joe Carter at 30, had 115 rbi,s.

His 5th consecutive 100 rbi season.

I guess you never saw him play either.

 

let me guess

you were a big

fan of Tony Batista too?

[Maico450]

let me guess

you were a big

fan of Tony Batista too?

No, I watched him play.

[BTS]

Joe Carter at 30, had 115 rbi,s.

His 5th consecutive 100 rbi season.

I guess you never saw him play either.

 

This is the most obvious troll to ever troll.

[KingKat]

Joe Carter at 30, had 115 rbi,s.

His 5th consecutive 100 rbi season.

I guess you never saw him play either.

 

I saw him play. He was a good bad ball hitter and an exciting player and I was as guilty as anyone of overrating him back in the day. I actually thought his 100 rbi season streak was really significant. Turns out it isn't. It's really just a product of where he hit in the lineup and having some power. He didn't hit better in RBI situations than outside of them. He was however a legit great hitter until 1991 (1990 excepted) and he was decent in 1992 and 1993 and then just plain bad after that.

[KingKat]

This is the most obvious troll to ever troll.

 

Seems like it... But I tend to err on the side of caution with poster who might simply be casuals. If he keeps doubling down on these losing arguments, it might become a moot point.

[BTS]

Is Joe Carter still alive? If not, he came back as Mark Trumbo. Their career stats:

 

259/306/464, 334 wOBA

251/303/473, 332 wOBA

 

Trumbo has a 111 wRC+ to Carter 102 though.

[Maico450]

I saw him play. He was a good bad ball hitter and an exciting player and I was as guilty as anyone of overrating him back in the day. I actually thought his 100 rbi season streak was really significant. Turns out it isn't. It's really just a product of where he hit in the lineup and having some power. He didn't hit better in RBI situations than outside of them. He was however a legit great hitter until 1991 (1990 excepted) and he was decent in 1992 and 1993 and then just plain bad after that.

With Joe, he was great until his final season with the jays. I distinctly recall that during his final year, he was getting under the ball, or hitting the ball off the end of the bat , resulting in lazy fly balls instead of his dead pull home runs.

I knew he was all done.

[The Cats Ass]

With Joe, he was great until his final season with the jays. I distinctly recall that during his final year, he was getting under the ball, or hitting the ball off the end of the bat , resulting in lazy fly balls instead of his dead pull home runs.

I knew he was all done.

 

He wasn't great every year. He only had 76 RBIs in 1995.

[Maico450]

He wasn't great every year. He only had 76 RBIs in 1995.

Ah yes, what 1 yr out of 12.

His final year as a Jay, even though he had 102 rbi's, he was not great. He was not Joe Carter.

[Brownie19]

With Joe, he was great until his final season with the jays. I distinctly recall that during his final year, he was getting under the ball, or hitting the ball off the end of the bat , resulting in lazy fly balls instead of his dead pull home runs.

I knew he was all done.

 

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[KingKat]

With Joe, he was great until his final season with the jays. I distinctly recall that during his final year, he was getting under the ball, or hitting the ball off the end of the bat , resulting in lazy fly balls instead of his dead pull home runs.

I knew he was all done.

 

You need to either actually research this or stop posting about it. Your recollections don't have any real weight here. If you're not willing to check them against facts, the way many, many people who have similar recollections have done over the years than I suggest you just keep these impressions for yourself. Otherwise, you're either going to be pilloried or ignored.

[CHRIS]

Trumbo has a 111 wRC+ to Carter 102 though.

 

Trumbo must have gotten on the Glucosamine Chondroitin at an earlier age than Joe. Pity.

[TheHurl]

Is Joe Carter still alive? If not, he came back as Mark Trumbo. Their career stats:

 

259/306/464, 334 wOBA

251/303/473, 332 wOBA

 

Trumbo has a 111 wRC+ to Carter 102 though.

 

Think about how much better Carter would be under proper management today. DH him more often, sit him against Ground Ball RHP's...maybe he avoids his every year drop off in the second half. Probably could have got him up to that 110 wRC+ and got him over 130 in his peak.

[ILikeSoccerandBaseball09]

Did he fail his physical? Is he across the world and its taking awhile for the physical to get done? Its been 6 days lol

[Brownie19]

Can we move this to the thread Morales thread please. Jesus.